Diluted Dante wrote:Touché.
Roujin wrote:Caltech seem pretty confident since 2019 Oumuamua is not a alien. For anyone interested in what the actual scientists have said about it as well as the people grifting because they got podcast sponsors they need to attract and books to sell. https://authors.library.caltech.edu/97422/2/1907.01910.pdf
LivDiv wrote:I look forward to us thawing out planetary ice cubes to find skin rotting bacteria that will be bought back to Earth in Richard Branson's beard.
"Its just like ecsma and we've lived with that for years" they will say "bunch of snowflakes wearing hazmat suits to Morrisons" say others.
"Remember if you are showing signs of your skin peeling off or volcanic legions you must stay at home unless your office job requires you to come in."
Alien technology? The idea of ‘Oumuamua as alien technology has been advocated in a series of papers41, 78, 79. The authors argue that the dimensions needed to explain the observed solar radiation pressure are consistent with a “solar sail.” While this fits some aspects of the observations — the basic idea of ‘Oumuamua having a highly flattened shape was previously considered17, 18 — it appears unable to explain other key aspects of the observations, and some arguments in favor of this hypothesis are simply wrong.
The key argument against the solar sail hypothesis is ‘Oumuamua’s light curve amplitude. In order for a solar sail to cause the observed non-gravitational acceleration, it needs to remain properly oriented towards the Sun. However, in order to yield the observed brightness variations, its orientation would need to be varying as viewed from Earth.
Furthermore, since the actual dimensions of the solar sail would be > 10 : 1, the orientation as viewed from Earth would need to be very nearly edge on, and remain so throughout the observations despite viewing geometry changes. It has not been shown that an orientation exists that can achieve all of these constraints imposed by the observational data.
Furthermore, as discussed earlier, the shape of ‘Oumuamua’s light curve, with broad maxima and narrow minima, is consistent with an elongated ellipsoid.
The claim78 that ‘Oumuamua must be at least ten times “shinier” than all Solar System asteroids to make the Spitzer Space Telescope data consistent with the ground based observations is incorrect. The Spitzer observations are consistent with geometric albedos 0.01 ≤ pv ≤ 0.5 3, with a most likely albedo of pv ∼ 0.1. Comets have geometric albedos of pv = 0.02 − 0.07, carbonaceous and silicate asteroids have pv = 0.05 − 0.21, and the most reflective asteroids have pv ∼ 0.5 80, 81. Thus ‘Oumuamua’s measured reflectivity of ∼ 0.1 is entirely consistent with normal Solar System small bodies.
Finally, it was argued that ‘Oumuamua was deliberately sent toward Earth based on its “unusual” kinematics and presumed scarcity41. While provocative, this argument is baseless. First, ‘Oumuamua’s trajectory is consistent with predictions22 for detectable inactive interstellar objects. Second, the measured number density cannot be claimed to be at odds with expectations because of our ignorance of the size distribution of interstellar objects.
Thus, we find no compelling evidence to favor an alien explanation for ‘Oumuamua.
Roujin wrote:I hereby challenge all the shy professors of astrophysics from harvard to defend their Oumuamua ideologies.
Roujin wrote:No I am very weak, I will simply sit here and quote excerpts from the paper at them until they give up.
Thing is I haven't read his side of the argument. I would imagine he is presenting facts to support his theory too. I find it crazy to think that a Harvard professor would make this argument and release a book about it if he didn't have some leg to stand on, as you say the extract seems to confirm it likely to be a cigar shape, I wonder if he addresses this?Roujin wrote:Well we can establish he is in fact ignoring the facts since the ISSI paper is from July 2019 and he is here in 2021 just chatting shit. If i was the professor of atrophysics from Harvard, I'd probably check no one had almost completely dismantled my theories on what Oumuamua might be, that i made at the time when perhaps all the information wasn't known, but now it is, and the object does indeed appear to most likely be a cigar shaped asteroid which passed through the solar system.
yourfavouriteuncle wrote:I saw that and didn’t even for one second not realise that I hadn’t just seen a poltergeist disaster on live tv. Scared the fuck out of me.
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