Word on the street is J.J. did a drive by on The Last Jedi but ends up shooting himself in the foot with an expository uzi yo.

I had no expectation of it being good, but I didn't think critics would say it.

g.man wrote:

Apparently they shot and tested six different endings for the new one. They should just release all six different cuts randomly to cinemas this week without telling anyone.

Christ so much for coherent vision, faith in characters and writing. Just fan service ejaculated into your face six different ways

I don't have a huge amount of faith in JJ making good on Ep 9, but i’m sure it will be pretty like Ep 7.

Can’t do ranking shit, but if someone asked me my favourite Star Wars films i’d bunch ANH, ESB, TLJ together, as well as the space battle in RotJ as the parts that I enjoyed the most and would watch again,

Funkstain wrote:

TLF tries to introduce new dynamics, democratising the force a bit, maybe setting up exploration of multiple character arcs, moving away from "big bad guy with unclear motivations, redemption arc of sub-big bad guy, plucky heroes" stories, but it does it in such a clanging dragging bullshit way it alienated the fans and failed to take them on that journey So we're back to Abrams the hack trying to tie up loose ends and re-establishing the fan service ennui

Why do you think TLJ democratised the force?

To be honest I thought TFA did a good job of establishing some new characters and was a decent starting point, it wasnt perfect by any means. That movie had an extremely difficult job to do.

When TLJ came out, I really disliked it. Hated might be too strong a term but it's the only SW that I've never watched a second time and have no intention to, either.  It killed my enthusiasm for something that I'd been enthusiastic about for 30 years.

What irritated me the most was that I knew that because so much of the first film's set up was ditched by someone who clearly didn't like TFA, the last film was going to have to essentially start again. And that's a weird place to be for the third film in a trilogy.  

From what I've read and heard, it seems that this film spends a huge amount of time trying to set itself up and suffers for it. JJ Abrams just doesn't have it in him to do a complete story that makes sense or is interesting. 

I think that Abrams did an ok job with TFA at setting up new characters with various threads to pull on without doing anything new.  Johnstone decided that the best thing to do with the middle film of a trilogy was to shut down the first film.

This one needed someone else again.  That could just do a story start to finish.  Dunno who of course, which is the problem. But there has to be someone out there capable of writing a Star Wars movie.  It's hardly fucking fine art.

I think it's going to be a space fantasy film about space wizards with laser swords, for children, and I'm sure I will enjoy it.

GooberTheHat wrote:

I think it's going to be a space fantasy film about space wizards with laser swords, for children, and I'm sure I will enjoy it.

Said that to my inner child two years ago but that didn't happen, unfortunately.

Also, i realise posting that following some of the others it might seem an aggressive response, but i do genuinely mean 'people' in the wider sense of internet commentary, not as a specific passive-aggressive attack at particular forumites.

Matt_82 wrote:

When TLJ came out, I really disliked it. Hated might be too strong a term but it's the only SW that I've never watched a second time and have no intention to, either.  It killed my enthusiasm for something that I'd been enthusiastic about for 30 years. What irritated me the most was that I knew that because so much of the first film's set up was ditched by someone who clearly didn't like TFA, the last film was going to have to essentially start again. And that's a weird place to be for the third film in a trilogy.   From what I've read and heard, it seems that this film spends a huge amount of time trying to set itself up and suffers for it. JJ Abrams just doesn't have it in him to do a complete story that makes sense or is interesting.  I think that Abrams did an ok job with TFA at setting up new characters with various threads to pull on without doing anything new.  Johnstone decided that the best thing to do with the middle film of a trilogy was to shut down the first film. This one needed someone else again.  That could just do a story start to finish.  Dunno who of course, which is the problem. But there has to be someone out there capable of writing a Star Wars movie.  It's hardly fucking fine art.

I agree with most all of this.

Yep the schism is very interesting indeed.

Plot holes etc aside, my biggest issue with TLJ is that it added nothing to the SW lore or progress the story much. Ok, Rian didnt like TFA so he tore it apart. He ditched most of the setup.  Thats fine, but he replaced it with nothing. Nothing at all. 
Unless you count Rose. And yo momma jokes. He subverted audience expectations. But he fucked up so much in the process.

Does Hollywood ever get reboots right? Have any of these dredged-up 1980s franchises been successful? They all seem to be in an impossible situation. The original things often weren't brilliant but people remember them as such. So you have to make some changes then what changes do you make? You immediately start pissing people off.

Daisy Ridley is fit though.
I'd action her figure.

monkey wrote:

Does Hollywood ever get reboots right? Have any of these dredged-up 1980s franchises been successful? They all seem to be in an impossible situation. The original things often weren't brilliant but people remember them as such. So you have to make some changes then what changes do you make? You immediately start pissing people off.

i think there's a lot more focus on remakes now, and the originals are perhaps much more 'in memory' thanks to video and tv etc...there's lots of films from our youth were remakes but nobody realised or cared cos they hadn't watched the original 100 times and had the wallpaper and t-shirt from it.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be critical, but if you look at any of the films with any objectivity non of them are particularly good. They're still enjoyable though.

LivDiv wrote:

Daisy Ridley is fit though.
I'd action her figure.

I'd midi her chlorian given half the chance.