hunk wrote:

This walled garden thing is getting out of hand...

"Walled garden"?... 

Sheesh. ~.~

It's like no one's ever bothered to read Gonzo's thread...

hunk wrote:

What thread.......~.~

I'll go bump it, shall I? :}

Um, wot?

Tool base refers to Direct X or OpenGl. Oh, and btw, Mac only supports OpenGL up to 3.2 (August 09) Not the latest. i.e. nothing that OpenGl added to compete with Direct3D 11.

Which, to clarify, means anyone making OpenGL games either needs to produce two versions (Windows/Linux and Mac or alternatively universally target the older standard)

Please give me an example of Valve's generosity. I remember them giving Portal away to entice Mac users (Steam currently has around 3.2% Mac users, under half of the general Mac population....so how'd that work out?)

Your last point can just fuck off for being antagonistic, My number one and two GOTY were Steam Indies. As was the last game I bought on there. In fact...when I bought you Dead Island what game did I ask you to get me in return?

Mod the last point wasnt aimed at you, you were fine on that, it was pointed at Moto

Steambox taking off would be a wet dream to indies that the Ouya pales in comparison to

If the steambox is linux then the mac thing is irrelevant, as dynamite says the authoring tools are now catering to a multiplatform idea, games these days you literally just dial things down to suit weaker platforms, want it to run faster? lower the physics and post effects precision, change the lighting from pixel to vertex, take away the pom shaders or whatever, make the lod more aggressive or the draw distance tighter, it can usually accomodate, but yes, im not sure the mac thing is relevant

i think the orange box is one giant totem of valves generosity i suppose. but the ongoing steals you can get on steam, their benevolent attitude to gamer pleasing and coveted employee status all count for something. i have a friend who was stung by valves business model, or creative model or whatever you wanna call it, buying out an idie doing a project they are interested in, her bf got kinda shafted by the left 4 dead thing iirc, but championing microsoft over them is, frankly, ridiculous

and yeah i think i'll echo sentiments of ms going the way of the green fruit company, theyve nothing to lose to the unwashed masses and most wont even realise it happened, im all windows atm but i may have to, gosh, dual boot some day soon

I think you'd be surprised, i mean, theres maybe no changing your mind at the moment, but you would be very surprised at how that could work out, speaking as an admittedly hobbyist developer who speaks to developers. I suppose time will tell, but i think i agree with dynamite, its very compelling

LazyGunn wrote:

I suppose time will tell, but i think i agree with dynamite, its very compelling

What's compelling about supporting another platform with a microscopic user base?

Mod74 wrote:

I suppose time will tell, but i think i agree with dynamite, its very compelling

What's compelling about supporting another platform with a microscopic user base?

It might change with the launch of a Linux console. And fast.
Afterall, this is Valve we're talking about. They pioneered digital downloads when noone else would.

Steambox might become a nexus between pc type gaming and console gaming. 
Download and buy games (discs)  for pc (linux) and console. Configurable graphics on a pc and fixed settings on console. One unified online service connecting pc and consoles. Free?

Bestcase scenario: It will be everything ms failed to do with xbox/pc/live. MS failed to capitalize on a Live synergy between xbox and the pc platform. Valve sees that as an oppurtunity to fill the void and publishers follow because porting, with the right middleware, is easy and cheap. Everybody adores Gabe and throw rosepetals at his feet.
Worstcase scenario: It flops because everyone has already invested into the Live and PSN ecosystems. The market isn't big enough for 3 players and Steambox crashes and burns despite being launched with HalfLife3 and Portal3 and receiving rave reviews. The dwindling economy doesn't help either. Publishers perceive a third platform too risky and support falters in time. Everybody hates Gabe calling him a big fat cunt.

I think the PC/console crossover could be one of the problems. The people that are enthusiastic about this seem to already have Steam accounts and would love to have a second gaming machine, this one under the TV, where they could play all the Steam games they have on their PC. Sounds great, but it's no use at all to third parties. They don't get extra sales that way.

This needs to sell to console gamers, but we don't know enough yet about price and specification to guess if it's even remotely appealing. It could be amazing, but it could also be a small form, low spec gaming PC for £500.

I_R wrote:

I think the PC/console crossover could be one of the problems. The people that are enthusiastic about this seem to already have Steam accounts and would love to have a second gaming machine, this one under the TV, where they could play all the Steam games they have on their PC. Sounds great, but it's no use at all to third parties. They don't get extra sales that way. This needs to sell to console gamers, but we don't know enough yet about price and specification to guess if it's even remotely appealing. It could be amazing, but it could also be a small form, low spec gaming PC for £500.

You've hit the nail on the head, and the only real question (which may have come up, but I' don't think it has) is:

"who is this for?"

ATM it seems like it's for Gabe.

What does linux's current userbase have anything to do with it?

Have you ignored everything said in the thread so far about developing for it? Do a lot of people use whatever the ps3's OS is on their home computers a lot? It's windows surely.

Current topic is hitting the fan like shit. Stop The modloop. It makes no difference.

Steambox has currently 0 userbase. Fuck off.

Hahahlols.

Mod74 wrote:

M0stly harm13ss wrote:

What's the userbase for the NextXbox? 0

What will it be 6 months after launch, and 12 months, and 18 months. Very clever people are paid lots of money to make predictions for these figures and then other people decide how much resource to allocate, because resources aren't infinite. You think Bobby Kotick is banging his fist on the table demanding to know why his studios are developing for the NextBox because he's just looked at the Amazon sales chart and the NextBox isn't even in the top 100?

Whilst Gabe and Valve are just taking an uneducated punt? I don't think so.

M0stly harm13ss wrote:

What's the userbase for the NextXbox? 0

What will it be 6 months after launch, and 12 months, and 18 months. Very clever people are paid lots of money to make predictions for these figures and then other people decide how much resource to allocate, because resources aren't infinite. You think Bobby Kotick is banging his fist on the table demanding to know why his studios are developing for the NextBox because he's just looked at the Amazon sales chart and the NextBox isn't even in the top 100?

Whilst Gabe and Valve are just taking an uneducated punt? I don't think so.

Ruh?

Gabe and Valve have already made their punt. You can get Valve games on Steam Linux already. Their support for the platform isn't even remotely in question.

EDIT: You can get a Valve game.