You've got me stumped with some of Yoshi's oki, there, Rouj. I generally know when he's vulnerable in stances from the old games, but some of his tracking caught me out a few times. You were delaying until I'd siderolled to realign for follow-ups?

I didn't have many problems when I kept it long and er... dry, but he was gypping me in the pocket quite a bit. He's supposed to be pretty good in this version, right? He's rolled with the bears for time.

Sit down and get comfortable, @Roujin

WR+3,4 used to B! on hit, but now it just knocks down. This nerf was addressed twofold: it's now plus on block (about 4f at worst, I think), and you can cancel its recovery into Hitman. HMS reduces the recovery on several of Lee's moves, but makes him momentarily more vulnerable if you read it and press buttons.

In the above case, though, I'm using the blockstun to safely throw out 1,4. Why? Because the 1 interrupts almost everything, and the 4 tracks while being -8 on block (Yoshi can escape at the cost of life!). 3's a Power Crush, but high, and 4's a low, but minus a million on block. If you try sidestepping you'll be followed by the 4 of 1,4, and you can block it, but not punish it. At that point, because of the previous WR+3,4, Lee's at a totally safe range to continue pressuring.

So your best option is to crouch for a short period. If I try HMS+1,4 or 1,1 you can WS punish; if I try 3 it whiffs; and if I try 4 you'll block it for a launch. It's only once you know all of this that you'll start thinking about crouching, and that's when I can cancel into mids to punish...

HMS is also really good at the wall. Most top players like to go W! > combo > f+3+4 or u/b+3 for oki. You can also try a crossover hop, and if you're getting up at the time, the kick resets you for a juggle in the opposite direction. But the timing's super-tight, and of course I have to rely on you playing ball. It's a really high-risk gamble, very hard to do, and it leaves Lee against the wall on minus frames if he mistimes it. 95% of the time you'll see Lee players taking the guaranteed oki of f+3+4 or u/b+3. The former's plus on block, and though it doesn't track, it locks you down if you sideroll into it.

In terms of the W! itself, there are slightly more damaging options than mine, but I like a trademark, and there's a smart reason for it... 4,3,3 isn't ideal by itself at all, but the follow-up d/f+4's guaranteed (even though the combo counter ignores it), and that cancels in HMS. So if you stay down I can press 4 and sweep you; or if you sideroll, I can use 1,4 to force a tracking block with 4. It allows Lee to keep the pressure on, and it'd be pretty awesome if not for Rage Arts. RAGE ARTS AREN'T TEKKEN

I mutter at myself erytime I walk into one. I still just don't expect them to be there. Anyway, in former Tekkens, Lee'd be even better at the wall thanks to this way into Power Crush 3. In Tag 2, I found that he could punish Tag Crash with a sidestep after f+4,3 at the wall. That was a pretty terrible option by itself, but it was one of the few enders with fast enough recovery to sidestep in time, and it had a good visual cue.

Back to this game: 1,3:3:3 is no longer a proper just-frame (I think it's now 2f per link), and it's fully punishable if I do all three kicks on block (first one's -11, then -10, then -16). Ditto 2,2,3, where you confirm the second 2 before the 3, but I sometimes throw out the lot because 3 has delayed timing (safe on block). If I were playing in a tournament, I'd reserve 1,3:3:3 exclusively as a 10f punish (32 damage), and otherwise keep 1,2,4 as my go-to (old-school Dark Res). As an 11f kick that's safe on block, 4,4,4's a great panic button, but it's obviously incredibly unsafe if the other dude's on point with WS punishes.

Oki's not nearly as effective in this game, and Lee — formerly one of the best at it — suffers a bit. After his slide, the best thing is to tap backwards. If he does the guaranteed 3, that'll put you completely safe. The only warning against that is if there's a wall behind you. If he doesn't do the 3, it's actually quite hard for him to generate pressure, even though he can dash right up to you. He doesn't recover ahead of you soon enough to try anything fancy after a slide. I've spent ages in the lab looking for a replacement to the tech I used to have, and none of it works any more. The slide itself is scary, but the follow-ups are weak.

His knee's unsafe on block, but deceptively hard to punish on whiff. You'll see even the best Lees throwing it out in neutral, but they're trying really hard to space it so that it either hits a dashing opponent, or whiffs if they just approach without dashing.

That's a decent primer for the things that I abuse against you.

That is long. 

Will sit down and digest at some point. 

My main issue was getting fooled by the knee, it looks so unsafe! But it had just enough pushback to make 1 whiff and then my second 1 was getting counterhit!

Re oki stuff, I dunno if you noticed but there was a couple of times where I was getting up when I did the forward leap and then hit you with a jab even though you blocked the dive. Turns out Yoshi and other characters that have that dive (3+4) when face up feet towards on the floor are +1000000000 frames if the dive is blocked and the jab is guaranteed to hit afterwards and float the opponent. Don't email Harada. 

I'll get there in the end. I do enjoy Yoshi especially when the silly/gimmicky stuff manages to work, just a matter of reading up and finding out what his go to pokes/punishes are.

Infil is the sauciest motherfucker

It is just deeply unlovable isn't it. We need a new middle-pace 2D vs-fighting hero and no one is making a remotely interesting one, or are they??

It's ArcSys so it's too hyper. I need measured pokefests.

I can't remember what Lee's options are after the wallbreak, @Roujin! iWS+2,3 maybe; WS+1 into... I'll have to look that up.

I fluffed quite a few inputs tonight, but literally warmed up once I'd put the heating on. Proper cold hands, like. I think I'm getting the hang of Yoshi now, I just don't know whether to sidestep or sidewalk his unblockables (sidewalk, right?). One of 'em looks like I have to dash under it — his helicopter business?

Longest wait ever for a low at the end, eh.

I was Hard Target Van Damme last night: kept picking the wrong tool for the job. Quite a few drops, too. I'm just not playing well consistently, and it's annoying me. Maybe it's age and I don't have the concentration these days, but I'll play individual rounds (sometimes matches) doing the right stuff, and then... I keep losing my discipline or something.

I landed that extended juggle on Saturday, but the wallsplat was point-blank, so I decided to give up damage for oki:



I included the fight after to show what it looks like when I'm playing a decent game: proper spacing; safe confirms; and a kind of invisible wall that makes you think twice about advancing. That's the beauty of Tekken: it's not really about who's safe, it's about who can sell it. I need to stop being lazy and keep moving. Oh, and some of my RAs last night were in response to actual moves, they just didn't come out in time and left me looking like a nub.

It's a shame I can't play randoms to learn any other characters, but Lee's hurt more than most by lag, and the majority of my random matches are always laggy. My win rate ends up in the 50s rather than the 80s of old. GIVE US CO-OP (and Baek)

Kneecap — https://www.twitch.tv/videos/175230555

From the eurogamer review

Cons: No xmen (due to licensing issues), 4/30 female cast, drab visual direction, absent tutorial

Pros: Fight system is on point.

hunk wrote:

From the eurogamer review

Cons: No xmen (due to licensing issues), 4/30 female cast, drab visual direction, absent tutorial

Pros: Fight system is on point.

The art direction is particularly horrible. Very bland designs and even the way the fighters move looks bland.

Wow. Problem X has really found some form (EGX)...

Just read Ultra on Switch sold more first week than the new mahhhhvel did. Yeeeesh.

https://youtu.be/iSgA_nK_w3A

The oldest of old news for you guys, probably but I found this interesting. Sf5 wow. Seems a bad idea to cater it to cack handed old folks like me.

Brooks wrote:

have long wanted links squashed entirely

My continued failure to nab Roujin with Lee's Mist Trap demands improved netcode first (of course it's the netcode!). I reckon a new Soulcalibur'd be unplayable to a high level online at this point. Despite the vast improvement in pipes, I'd swear that latency's worse now than it was ten years ago. Not to mention T7's routine disconnections. Still better than WebGuy's, mind; The Retirer of Men.

Because more people are online, obviously, and there are only so many wires between us. I mean, I used to find ~120ms pings in Operation Flashpoint with dial-up, while those on 1Mb could find sub-20s. Through a combination of awful matchmaking and global traffic, typical pings in Uncharted 4 are probably in the hundreds.