The spoiler tags are annoying bioshock thread!! - The Bear and Badger

Tempy

@Fentonizer I agree wiv dis guy

mistercrayon

I think if universe travel is allowed then so is time travel. Also funk has seen the big daddies which means asymmetric timelines are.allowed.

regmcfly

Agree with DIS guy

Tempy

It's certainly passable but holy fuck if it isn't just that little bit too self indulgent oh look how smart we are.

Thematic link, that's me.

regmcfly

I like my preferred reading because its meta as fuck and y'all know how I roll on that shit

regmcfly

Lets be honest, shock 1 was self indulgent as all buggery "oh look at us comment on the nature of ALL GAMES EVER"

Tempy

True, but this just seems like yet more SciFi baws that is diluting the emotional bit of the story. I gain zilch from Rapture being Booker's doing, personally.

mistercrayon

Well they already played that line in system shock 2.

Mod74

regmcfly wrote:

Tempy wrote:

It's way too 'forced clever' for me. I appreciate the nods and winks, but I see no firm evidence that Jack is Ryan, especially if you count the post credits scene as the end of the infinite loop, because then Bioshock is 70 years off.

I really don't think time has any bearing on it. It's easy to imagine cyber booker in 2356in one of those lighthouses. INFINITE man

Surely the "Infinite" refers to sideways through dimensions not forward and back through time?

Tempy

regmcfly wrote:

I like my preferred reading because its meta as fuck and y'all know how I roll on that shit

But referencing the themes of B1 via Infinite by having the former exist in the latter and the story frameworks being similar is already meta, without the need for them to ACTUALLY be linked, surely?

Bollockoff

Kojima should helm the next Bioshock.

regmcfly

Tempy wrote:

True, but this just seems like yet more SciFi baws that is diluting the emotional bit of the story. I gain zilch from Rapture being Booker's doing, personally.

I mean that's the thing, it's all personal interpretation. I like the character of booker but I find the grander stuff more interesting, and the Sci fi gubbins are my bag. You like the character stuff, KEWL. Don't mean either of us are wrong

mistercrayon

Tempy wrote:

True, but this just seems like yet more SciFi baws that is diluting the emotional bit of the story. I gain zilch from Rapture being Booker's doing, personally.

but it feeds into the infinite and follows the constants.

In a twist there should be a universe where booker is horrible and Comstock is nice.

regmcfly

Tempy wrote:

regmcfly wrote:

I like my preferred reading because its meta as fuck and y'all know how I roll on that shit

But referencing the themes of B1 via Infinite by having the former exist in the latter and the story frameworks being similar is already meta, without the need for them to ACTUALLY be linked, surely?

It is, but by saying "you're doing the same experience/story/sequence" is even more interesting, especially if you start considering the two different timelines/possibilities for the ending of B1

Tempy

Ah ok, I see that now.

Cool thing: the priest in the entrance to Columbia says 'is it someone new?' which is obviously cool due to infinite, but also the first thing a Splicer says in Bioshock.

Tempy

Nothing anyone says will make me prefer the literal reading, I just don't like it that much. And the 50 years gap doesn't sit well, I can't see Booker/Comstock abandoning Columbia myself, it's never alluded to.

regmcfly

In nngg this game

regmcfly

Tempy wrote:

Nothing anyone says will make me prefer the literal reading, I just don't like it that much. And the 50 years gap doesn't sit well, I can't see Booker/Comstock abandoning Columbia myself, it's never alluded to.

Where is there anything about abandoning Columbia? In another timeline, Columbia was not a city in the sky, but a city underwater called Rapture.

regmcfly

Know what the worst thing is? Levine is just gonna sit back and let this all go on forever. INFINITELY if you will.

Tempy

It's like Bladerunner, the question of 'is Deckard a replicant' is more interesting than the answer.

@regmcfly Booker is I'm his late 30s by 1912, I guess it depends on when Rapture is built.

Fentonizer

I'm just going to say this, there is no fucking way Booker is Comstock is Andrew Ryan. Just... no.

regmcfly

Remember when Ridley Scott just went "Aye, he is."

Worradick.

mistercrayon

When people say Comstock is Ryan I don't think its Comstock leaves Columbia (he's dead as dead man) to form rapture, more like there's always a guy who sets up a city and there's always a guy who goes to a light house. Its not a huge leap to to say that this always a guy guy is from the same place originally (say booker and ryan's parents in one universe child booker becomes booker and in another universe child booker becomes Ryan).

regmcfly

Fentonizer wrote:

I'm just going to say this, there is no fucking way Booker is Comstock is Andrew Ryan. Just... no.

Why not? In a universe of INFINITE (yeah, I'm gonna flog dat horse) possibilities, there's far too many similarities between them, their past, their beliefs, and their acts to be a "coincidence".

mistercrayon

regmcfly wrote:

Remember when Ridley Scott just went "Aye, he is."

Worradick.

Harrison ford doesn't think he was a robot though.

regmcfly

Mistercrayon is saying what I'm trying to say better. It's another version of the same story. It doesn't have to be the literal Comstock becomes Ryan.

mistercrayon

regmcfly wrote:

Fentonizer wrote:

I'm just going to say this, there is no fucking way Booker is Comstock is Andrew Ryan. Just... no.

Why not? In a universe of INFINITE (yeah, I'm gonna flog dat horse) possibilities, there's far too many similarities between them, their past, their beliefs, and their acts to be a "coincidence".

you cant flog the infinite line and then say coincidence isn't a possibility.

regmcfly

Oh yeah. Derp.

regmcfly

Although to retcon that, I kind of meant in terms of the constants, as in "the man"

Fentonizer

There's always a man who wants to break away, there's always a city he builds to accomplish this, and there's always a lighthouse to get you there.

I don't see why you need to explain anything else. It's already as meta as fuck, tying the 2 stories together only for the benefit of the audience.

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