Collection of the licence fee.

And some border towns might still get a signal but good luck getting it in Twat.

It's not make or break in the slightest, but it is one of those meaningful changes that should be being discussed.

(which it might well be, I dunno)

Surely the main focus should be on how quickly we can invade, get Scotland back and enslave the Scottish.

Mod74 wrote:

It's not make or break in the slightest, but it is one of those meaningful changes that should be being discussed.

(which it might well be, I dunno)

It sounds like the usual "ah but what about X" arguments from the No campaign, as if every little thing has to be settled now.

There are more important things like the armed forces for example.

I'd argue whether they can still watch Strictly is going to a bigger deciding factor than what the armed forces look like for a lot of voters. But whatevs.

Can someone point me to what will happen to the armed forces, BBC, Oil etc if the proposal gets a yes?

Well that's retarded.

He's been pushing for a referendum and wants people to vote yes or no but won't tell them what it will actually mean? Is he having a laugh? People vote for this guy, are they genuinely stupid or simply blinded by a misplaced sense of victimhood?

He can say what the party plans and implications are and let people vote based upon them.

If he's not allowed to then there shouldn't be a vote. Otherwise, what are you voting on apart from emotion.



Oh. Now I get it.

No BBC is pretty obvious, the oil is probably Scotland's given the warnings of price volatility, defence will be done on the cheap with no nukes, although the SNP have been fairly two faced in campaigning to save bases and regiments that they'd never pay for post independence. EU membership, sticking with the pound and national debt would need to be negotiated and argued for and it's impossible to guarantee an outcome.

All of this could change as soon as their was an election post independence, the other major parties have pretty strong discipline about sticking to the unionist line, but none of them would drop out of politics if it came to pass. It's inconceivable that Scottish politics would continue along the same lines after independence, people and policies would undergo a huge shift.

Again, I've got to repeat, there's not much demand for independence, most people don't even need to think about all these details because they've got no intention of voting Yes. Conversely a lot of the people that have already decided to vote Yes would probably think that these things were trivial.

The rigs are privately owned. It's who gets the taxes and issues exploration licenses that's the issue.

I find the notion of voting on an idea without a plan of implementing it ridiculous.

I wouldn't expect our politicians to ask us to vote on staying in the EU without explaining the implications. They didn't ask us to vote on proportional representation without explaining the implications.

Not telling people what you plan to do in case it confuses them is the most condescending thing I've heard from politicians for a long time. They should tell people what they plan to do -if they even have a plan- and if that confuses people then that's because it's a massively complicated proposition. Something they should realise before being asked to vote Yes/No and worry about How later.

Mod74 wrote:

I find the notion of voting on an idea without a plan of implementing it ridiculous. I wouldn't expect our politicians to ask us to vote on staying in the EU without explaining the implications.

That's precisely what they'll do.

Mod74 wrote:

They didn't ask us to vote on proportional representation without explaining the implications.

That was a hell of a lot simpler.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

WorKid wrote:

AFAIK the How depends on who gets power. And yes, governments are generally free to do what they want.

Who? Salmond an Co hold half the seats in parliament. There's no "depends" here.

And yes, Government is usually free to do what they want. Until the next election of course. And if they change their mind about thedivorce it's a 5 minute job to reverse it.

Well we'll see. I still think it's absolutely barmy.

Vote YES* for INDEPENDENCE**

* response bias

** who doesn't like independence? Everyone wants to be independent. Like Beyonce said. Roll the tape. FREEDOM!

Alex Salmond doesn't have a clue what the fuck will happen anymore then anyone in this thread does. Anyway, this is all getting a bit silly. It'll be No.