Maybe I should change this thread again to the Townes Van Zandt Memorial thread? Or just start a new one, which would be much more sensible obviously.

Does anyone have a predilection for dissociative drugs? Ketamine is the classic example but methoxetamine, 3-MeO-PCP and 4-MeO-PCP were quite easy to procure before they were banned a few months ago. I thoroughly enjoy these drugs, which work by antagonizing the NMDA receptor which causes a very strange and dreamlike state utterly different from the kinds of consciousness shifts engendered by LSD and other psychedelics, which act on serotonin. Dissociation has marked psychical effects such as numbness and strange shifts in bodily perception, but what I find really interesting is that they encourage intense introspection while very much dulling the emotional reaction to what you are thinking about. You find that you can think very directly about painful things in your life which you might well avoid thinking about while being removed from the pain and anxiety the thoughts would otherwise cause, and it can be quite therapeutic.

That all sounds very serious, but I do find them fun too. That freedom from anxiety can make you feel very much happy and a peace with yourself and world, and this feeling often remains with you after the drug has worn off. Also, because the drugs are not very stimulating, you can usually get to sleep before having to wait till their out of your system, unlike most psychedelic drugs. They're an acquired taste, and not very enjoyable unless you really enjoy weirdness for it's own sake - above all the experience of dissociation is weird. Personally, having acquired a taste through repeated experience of methoxetamine (I had done quite a bit of ket years before, but lost my connect) it became very much my recreational drug of choice. I went through a fair bit of 3-MeO-PCP too, but never got a line on it's 4-methoxilated cousin. I was a bit distraught when these drugs (collectively known as arylcyclohexylamines) became illegal, but I think I was beginning to develop something of a psychological addiction to them (they're not psychically habit forming) so it's probably been a good thing for me health-wise.

I find it very difficult to say what it is about dissociation that so appeals to me (along with many, many other people - the bluelight thread on MXE has gone into it's twelfth iteration I think) and I find that in itself to be fascinating. Just what is it about that complex of emotional and perceptual changes that I find so compulsively appealing? Because on paper it sound at best neutral, at worst disturbing and unpleasant.

Any other silent rollers out there? Can you describe the appeal of these oddball drugs any better than me?

meta - do you not worry about the long- (and short-) term effects of messing with your brain so much (not to mention potential damage to other organs too)?

Drug talk. Experiences, thoughts, that kind of stuff.

I'm having to resist a pm to find out how it's done.

A well considered pamphlet can't be rushed though.

I don't think I'm likely to do many more drugs in my lifetime beyond weed and alcohol, but I'm pleased to have had the experiences I've had.

I'd say...lol.

seriously

g.man

Indeed.

igorgetmeabrain wrote:

meta - do you not worry about the long- (and short-) term effects of messing with your brain so much (not to mention potential damage to other organs too)?

Yes I do, of course.

equinox_code wrote:

Isn't codeine really addictive? Aside from tobacco and alcohol, i save the addictive highs for special occasions.

Yes, all opiates and opoids are addictive. You're more likely to do your self serious harm through being a long term fag smoker than becoming addicted to codeine. Codeine isn't toxic in any way, and as long as you do the extraction with a great deal of care and attention in order to remove all the APAP it's perfectly safe. I don't do it often enough to be psychically addicted. Not at the moment anyway. If it happens it happens, I'm not sure I care that much at the moment. But that's because I'm having a shitty time at the moment, I'll feel differently in due course.

n0face wrote:

I'm having to resist a pm to find out how it's done.

Plenty of methods online. Ignore any that tell you to start with hot or warm water (why?) and you're golden.

g.man wrote:

Taking drugs is never the great idea it appears to be in your youth. Some day in the future you will remember that g.man pointed this out to you and that he was correct.

Yes, because you're the very first person that's ever pointed out to me that drugs can be bad, and I'll never forget the moment that this new information was revealed to me. Thanks for that you wise, wise old man.

I don't find them very consoling, in fact they tend to amplify things and make stuff seem worse. On the flip side when everything is going well a little toot here and there just seems to make the sun even shinier.

This thread is interesting. I've always wondered what it would be like to be a user, casual or heavy.

When I watch a film, at home or atcthe cinema, or when I play a game or watch TV, I have nothing. No food, no drink, no snacks or beers. I've always found it odd that people do. Not that I never take a drink to the cinema, but it's really rare.

Early talk if legal highs is true, at Reading one year my ex's connections failed to turn up any substances so we thought we'd try the legal alternative and it is the worst thing I've ever done, 20 minutes of stuff seeming weird and fun for 6 hours of crawling to and from the toilet vomiting bile and with a killer headache.

I always regret not trying more stuff, but with Uni looming the chances are still there, though I fear the halcyon days are gone and it'll all be pricks on eccies. The Internet age doesn't really suit the drug vibe.

I have never broken my collar bone, however tramadol and general anesthetic gave me the most amazing lucid dreams I've ever experienced.

metascrawl wrote:

g.man wrote:

Taking drugs is never the great idea it appears to be in your youth. Some day in the future you will remember that g.man pointed this out to you and that he was correct.

Yes, because you're the very first person that's ever pointed out to me that drugs can be bad, and I'll never forget the moment that this new information was revealed to me. Thanks for that you wise, wise old man.

 
You're welcome

g.man

I regret the volume of drugs I did as a young lad, if not the experience. I let them get in the way of study and other things though, which was quite a big problem and has undoubtedly affected my path in life. Magic Mushrooms were a very weird one; one time was simply hilarious, and one time almost everything that could go wrong went wrong.

Had an amazing time recently with my first smoke in 3 years. Great company, a little bit to toke, and some cold beers. And cheese. I won't say who with 'cos it's not my place to, but it was great. And I'm fairly sure it made me amazing at Street Fighter, even if only for a very short while, haha!