anyone excited about WM? 

also i've been doing some reading up on history (the decades I missed). Rick Flair is touted as being a million time champion but according to the wwe he was only a 1-2 time champion with a relatively short reign. Am I missing something? 

and who would make your list?

mk64 wrote:

anyone excited about WM?  also i've been doing some reading up on history (the decades I missed). Rick Flair is touted as being a million time champion but according to the wwe he was only a 1-2 time champion with a relatively short reign. Am I missing something?  and who would make your list?

This is the least excited I've been for any WrestleMania.

As Crayon said, it's other titles he won.
He's actually won more, but WWE don't recognise them. He considered himself a 21 time champion I believe, but in recent years has been willing to accept the WWE narrative.

This is a look at his World Title wins, and which ones are recognised, plus here is a visual timeline which is cool, but too large to embed.

mistercrayon wrote:

Why is brock lesnar?

This made me laugh more than it should.

The answer to all is, because fuck you basically, WWE don't care about the people who watch every week for this show. To take them one by one.

Why is AJ being wasted on a non wrestler?

I'm not really sure on this. It looks like they are moving AJ to Raw, but there were other ways to do that. I never want to see a McMahon wrestle ever again, I'm tired of their bullshit, but I guess older fans who don't watch any more will be interested because "Oh he's the chap that does all the stupid stuff." Shane will do some stupid bumps, and AJ will drag this to a far better match than it deserves to be. People will argue that there will be more spotlight on AJ as a result of facing Shane, but I'd argue back that you could achieve the same thing by putting him up against a genuine top star. Like say, The Undertaker. Which brings us to...

Why is undertaker wrestling?

Because it's WrestleMania. No seriously, that's it. Why is it Roman, and why this way, god knows, beyond Vince thankfully cooled on Cena, and needed someone else. Oh you've structured these questions helpfully.

Why is cena in a mix tag match where one of the women isn't even a wrestler really?

Because the Taker match fell through, and the WWE wants to make something of Cena and Nikki's relationship given Total Divas/Bellas. A Cena-Miz match would be far, far better (I'd argue Miz is Cena's best opponent), but for reasons I will never comprehend, Nikki Bella remains inexplicably popular, and you have the dreaded mainstream appeal because of the Total shows. Maryse is at least a former Diva's Champion, even if she hasn't wrestled for the best part of a decade. This match is one of the few I'm actually looking forward to.

Why is the women's match a multimatch again?

I'm not sure which one you mean, because both are. Alexa will be facing Everyone, because Naomi's injury threw the plans into chaos, and this is apparently the best they came up with. On Raw a shitshow of booking has led us here. I thought it might be to keep the streak going, so Bayley could pin Sasha instead of Charlotte, but then they thew that away on Fastlane for seemingly no reason. This is a nonsense match.

Why is brock lesnar?

This match is the crown jewel of turds in a turd laden show. Why is this happening? Why is it for the belt? Why is Brock rumoured to then hold the belt for an entire fucking year, to face Roman 'still not a fucking heel for some reason' Reigns? Answers to all these questions and more will not be answered at WrestleMania. Bless Paul Heyman though.

There is about a 1% chance of Brock-Bill being a good match, and even then it's likely to be entirely accidental. Brock is nowhere near longest time held. He'd have to double it just to get near Cena's WWE title reigns, before we even think about his World Heavyweight reigns. That still puts him about a thousand miles behind Backlund and Hogan, and about 10 million behind Bruno.

The best match is almost certainly going to be Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho. There has been a long term story building up to the match, both are brilliant in ring storytellers, and among the best wrestlers in the company. After that Neville-Aries, and then probably Cena/Nikki-Miz/Maryse.

Braun doesn't have a match yet, but rumour is he's going to be inserted into the Taker match, which might make it a little more bearable.

That's the just the WWE Championship though. If you look at World Heavyweight Championships as well (Brock never held that) Triple H goes to 1228, Randy Orton to 735, CM Punk to 623. Orton is likely winning at Mania too.

Its all a bit messy but Brocks first belt was the undisputed World Title (WWE & WCW belts)  but by that point it was represented  by a single belt.

After the first brand split, Raw got the Big gold belt in the form of the World Championship and Smackdown got the Undisputed Title (which became the WWE Championship)

These 2 titles were later unified after the end of the brand split before turning into the single WWE Championship, which is currently held by Bray Wyatt. The Raw Universal Title is a completely new title so if he wins that, it wont count towards his record.

Yeah, the title on Raw is technically the WWE Universal title. I'm guessing its so they can flip champs during draft season. I dont mind the two main titles per show but they need to be held by the big players. The top guy should be the guy who gets the main plotlines and matches (not necessarily the most TV exposure) but even know Cena gets more love than Bray and Owens had great matches but I dont feel he was pushed as a world champion should be.

Just on the topic of Owens and Jericho, I think they will be the match of the night winners - unless they dont get enough time. Manis has a funny history of giving some matches very little time and these guys need / deserve  20 minute match.

Lesnar v Goldberg?

Seriously, 5 minutes of actual bell time with lots of ballyhoo before and after.

Or.... maybe the andre battle royal. Stroman clears the ring in record time.

Diluted Dante wrote:

mk64 wrote:

what do we think will be the quickest match?

Lesnar Goldberg obviously. Goldberg has wrestled so far for a combined 5 minutes, across 3 matches. The entrances will last longer than the match. God it's going to be a shitty ending to Mania isn't it?

Given last years lengthy snore fest between Hunter and Reigns, I'm not sure a short exciting match is the wrong way to go. Long matches are only good if the talent can go. Lesnar can but the current style he works in the Fed doesn't go well with long matches (10 minutes of suplexes? Nah, thanks) and Goldberg is not likely to be able to go much.

I'm also not sure if it will go last. Hunter / Rollins and Shane / AJ both have a chance as they contain a McMahon. Both matches would probably be more exciting too. Orton Wyatt doesn't seem likely but it would be  a good match. The other option would be Reigns / Taker - that could be a big match if they follow up on the retirement talk from last week.

Bless you.

So Shane (the boss) attacked AJ and AJ wants a fight to sort it out? The fuck.

They did it with a fake desk last year at wm.

If it runs out before Takeover, you should renew it.

Yes. He's going to take on Colt Cabana for the Hardcore Title.

Foley is legit injured and sacked so he can have surgery.