It's the cock.RedDave2 wrote:Holy Crackers Jaco/ Jim, that's quite insane. On the overall topic of racism, I worry that it becomes so ingrained with people that they can never change. I have an Uncle who is otherwise a genuine lovely fellow. Or so I thought. Then one day his daughter brought home a coloured boyfriend. Holy shit, did that provoke such a change. Even now, his daughter is 8 years with the guy, living together and they have a kid and my uncle cant accept the dad. He loves his granddaughter to bits but the poor dad can do nothing to change things (now to be fair, the dad is a bit of a 'geezer' to use his own words but my own dad assures me that the reaction would have been the same regardless of the guys character) Sad really but as I say, it seems so built in to some people that they cant let it go. Its always worse when you see this shit in people you thought were otherwise sensible
Andy wrote:It's a frustrating video to watch because the guy videoing is not helping, to the extent that he himself is effectively committing an offence.
It's not the shooting of the video I have an issue with. People can take videos of whatever they want.Escape wrote:They charged the victim with assaulting a police officer. And they'd have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for that meddling videographer.Andy wrote:It's a frustrating video to watch because the guy videoing is not helping, to the extent that he himself is effectively committing an offence.
RedDave2 wrote:Also, i dont think those names are on the up qnd up. Mohammad b'header maybe.
davyK wrote:I find it puzzling that some people think that if the police suspect they are a wanted person that said person doesn't need to identify himself.
Some amateur-rights tosser who has been educated on University of Youtube
RedDave2 wrote:followed by a courtesy apology
cockbeard wrote:As stated earlier, when in theatre we had clearly defined rules of engagement, in Ireland the yellow card basically prohibited any pre emptive action at all. Those rules defined the situation as not protecting people but taking vengeance on those that has already hurt someone and might hurt more people
So my question is, do the police have a yellow card? If not why not?
Escape wrote:I know the latter looks that way, but it's the University of Victimisation in that area. As for giving your name, the police have already failed at that point. Because you're gonna lie if you're actually wanted, and if not, it's another routine harassment; hence the guy's testy reaction. The onus is on the police to establish a probable ID, not just target the first rando on the street like a lost driver.I find it puzzling that some people think that if the police suspect they are a wanted person that said person doesn't need to identify himself. Some amateur-rights tosser who has been educated on University of Youtube
davyK wrote:The heavy handedness of the Police is another matter entirely. And if police use mistaken identity as a means to harass then that's another matter again.
This is not the case. While I'm baffled by the suggestion that the police have 'failed' if they ask someone's name (I'm interested to know what resources you think the Police have that would make this even possible) it might interest you to know that no, not everyone lies about who they are, not by a long shot. I'm also interested in the idea that to ask someone who they are is harassment.Escape wrote:As for giving your name, the police have already failed at that point. Because you're gonna lie if you're actually wanted, and if not, it's another routine harassment;
Do we know that this is what happened here? Do we know that the wanted person is so unlike the man in the video, that it's unreasonable for the Police to have thought it was him?Escape wrote:The onus is on the police to establish a probable ID, not just target the first rando on the street like a lost driver.
I don't know how the Police in your area operate, but it must be wildly different to here. The Police don't have the luxury of choosing not to investigate crime they don't feel like investigating. Yes, you get the odd career-minded cop who focuses on drugs (although that's limited to those aiming at CID, which is only a fraction of them) but an entire shift or team can't pick and choose their jobs, let alone a whole station. It's worth noting, though, that if you're talking about the extra steps needed (routine directed patrols, maybe even surveillance on the car park) requires staffing levels that no longer exist, or funding that is no longer there. The current policing picture nationwide is reactive firefighting.Escape wrote:There are loads of drugs around that way, and it seems to me that their police are full of careerists trying to catch a dealer. When that's all you see them doing, at the expense of looking into stuff like a spate of break-ins in the same carpark, you can appreciate why the locals don't respect them.
While I'd be surprised if the first sentence is genuinely the case, for the reasons above, Bristolians are at least amongst the most forward thinking in the country; everywhere else I'm aware of, the public want their Police to make drugs one of their priorities (despite the fact that it always has been and always will be a losing battle).Escape wrote:If drugs were legalised, they'd suddenly have lots of time to follow-up other crimes. Even those Bristolians who don't agree with legalisation tend to agree that our police overprioritise drugs to the detriment of their service.
Andy wrote:The current policing picture nationwide is reactive firefighting.
Tempy wrote:That's the line of thinking that normalises it though. When's the cut off point between "from a different time" and "racist hiding behind the term 'from a different time'"?
davyK wrote:Tempy wrote:That's the line of thinking that normalises it though. When's the cut off point between "from a different time" and "racist hiding behind the term 'from a different time'"?
I know. Chances are he was/is racist. I suspect people of earlier times are. There were African kids in a Belgian zoo in the 50s.
https://popularresistance.org/deep-racism-the-forgotten-history-of-human-zoos/
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