The British Politics Thread
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Liveinadive wrote:Get an already under funded police force to dish out fines to people who couldn't pay them even if they did deserve them (which they don't).
Our criminal justice system’s disproportionate reliance on financial penalties is bizarre and simply does not work the majority of the time.
The courts hand fines to people on benefits, then agree to take payment over a period. The most common rate I’ve seen is five pounds a fortnight. It is considered (rightly) unreasonable to deprive people of more money when their financial circumstances are probably a factor in their offending behaviour. But Sheriffs are directed to use community service as an alternative to custody, not a fine. In other words, if you wouldn’t consider custody, don’t consider community service, just dish out a fine.
So, some people just receive less benefits for a while. Others don’t pay it, then a warrant is issued,? They’re arrested and brought back to court, given further time to pay, loop back to the start until it happens again, then ultimately end up with community service or jail time.
Now, they’d like to hand out a bigger finanicial penalty to the homeless than the combined fines for two guys fighting in the street (£40 each). The very notion of handing a fine - any sized fine - to somebody sleeping rough is utterly vile.
A few years ago the Police in Scotland stopped issuing fines for drunk and incapable, because while you got the occasional Friday night idiot, mostly it was criminalising alcoholism, and that’s not how you solve that problem. Fining the homeless is truly a sign of the times.
As an aside, community service could be a better solution (to actual criminality, not homelessness) if properly implemented, it’s a joke. I know of one offender who recently got to spend his time working on his Airfix model. Outside of the big cities, transport and organisation will count towards the time used, so folk will get five or six hours notched off for less than two hours actual work. -
Even if I put my "Total cunt, fuck the poor" hat on for a second and forget about the humanitarian side of things.
How much does it cost from a policeman approaching a homeless person, to issuing a fine, to processing the fine, to court appeals? Even if they do actually pay it, surely there is a loss being made there. -
Yeah, the calculations for these things (I’m told this does happen) usually involve unrealistic assessments for the time each stage takes.
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Ah that classic.
Only takes 17 seconds to book a hobo, something, something, profit. -
Yup. “It only takes this long to deal with it.” Well, yeah, but only if you leave most of it blank and fill the rest out once you’re back at the office. “It only takes this long to update the computer.” Well, yeah, if you fully completed the ticket at the scene, but there wasn’t time for that. And it won’t be that quick if you want all the detail you’ve asked for, and want it checked for accuracy. And let’s not forget that you then want a lot of this replicated on the Vulnerable Persons Database. And the intelligence log added. That’s before any of these have been through a supervisor for checking (or immediate forwarding, because they don’t have the time) and then on to the respective admin departments for processing / taking action / whatever.
I have no doubt it’s the same in other lines of work. -
Yeah. My first 3D job involved modelling entire supermarket aisles of product. 500 cereal boxes at 5 minutes a box takes longer than 2500 minutes, mainly because it was fucking dull as shit and humans be human.
Thankfully my mate wrote a script that did 90% of the work, then we didnt tell anyone for months. -
Ah, they're choosing to sleep rough. This must mean they are loaded.
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They must be. Think of all the money they must be saving on rent. -
Daily Mail wrote:Now Corbyn and McDonnell are accused...Translation wrote:We're accusing Corbyn and McDonnell even though we know we're bullshitting because Tories.
It's positioned as not-my-words-Carol, when they totally and clearly are. Oh, we just heard it and felt that our good readers deserved to know.
I suppose their legal defence is that they'd spin any reaction from Corbyn as a shook one, and although they've very few Labour-voting readers, the TV lot'd join in. -
An MP tweeted the allegation and has been threatened with lawyers if he doesn’t delete it. -
What have they allegedly been accused of, out of interest? So I know what isn't true. -
Wearing a communist flatcap beyond the allotments' catchment.
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Daily Mail wrote:The Mail can reveal today...Translation wrote:The Mail alleges today...
The BBC don't like to diss Corbyn because they're such lefties, apparently. Tons of people feel the same way and parrot as much online.
It took years for the Media to start reporting on Atos sanctions (for one example), when online reports of misconduct had numbered well into five figures since 2010. -
Not sure what you define as the media here, but I can find stories on the on the subject from the Graun dating back to early 2011.
Anyhow, Corbyn has called out the Sun, Mail, Express and Telegraph today, this is A Good Thing.
He also seems to have moved to a point of arguing that we need to stay in the customs union which is A Very Good Thing.
However, the most entertaining thing to me today has to be David Davis managing to link Brexit with a Mad-Max style dystopia in the minds of the whole country. Well done Davis. -
I thought Jeremy Corbyn was dead?Come with g if you want to live... -
Yossarian wrote:I can find stories on the on the subject from the Graun dating back to early 2011.
In print? They were the first mainstream outlet to report on it (to my knowledge), but they relegated its coverage to out-of-the-way opinion pieces until it gained traction elsewhere. Kaliya Franklin's an independent activist.
It's become editorially viable to criticise the Tories' welfare reforms, but it's taken time to get to this point, and the Media now reflect something they barely fashioned. -
g.man wrote:I thought Jeremy Corbyn was dead?
Nah he just moved to Amazon Prime. -
He went to England and insulted some natives.
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Escape wrote:Yossarian wrote:I can find stories on the on the subject from the Graun dating back to early 2011.
In print? They were the first mainstream outlet to report on it (to my knowledge), but they relegated its coverage to out-of-the-way opinion pieces until it gained traction elsewhere. Kaliya Franklin's an independent activist.
Don’t know whether in print or not, not sure it mattered by 2011, there was more readership online anyway.
You can see the sorts of stories being published back then here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/atos?page=7
Seems to be quite a wide range of stuff to me. -
I might be thinking of 2010.
Whenever I first became aware of Atos I searched for articles and only found a couple on there. No-one else had written any. The Indy took a lot longer than I expected to pick it up. -
Having categorically ruled out being in "the" customs union he now wants "a" customs union. Hopefully that's cleared that up nicely. -
Escape wrote:I might be thinking of 2010.
Whenever I first became aware of Atos I searched for articles and only found a couple on there. No-one else had written any. The Indy took a lot longer than I expected to pick it up.
Quite possibly, although the Tories only came to power in 2010 and then Atos were brought in. I don’t think there was that much of a gap before these stories started appearing. -
Atos were given the contract in 2008 by Labour. It was under the Tories that they were told to go ham. Miliband supported the reforms in 2011.
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Ah, fair play.
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It's taken until Loach and his relationship with Corbyn to see any realistic hope of change.
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Daily Mail wrote:Jeremy Corbyn's response to spy row: No answers and a chilling threat to Britain's free Press
They go on to ask a bunch of questions with nothing to support their validity.
Grease wrote:This is troubling – no one who believes in democracy and the rule of law should threaten free speech. It is the response of totalitarians and a reminder of the controlling nature of socialism
Well, quite.
Hey, Corbyn and Abbott once went on a holiday to East Germany in the '70s! Bowie must've been their inside man. -
they [Millennials] are the most fortunate generation in history.
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/virginia-blackburn/922485/snowflake-generation-face-reality-Virginia-Blackburn
I've always the same response to these worked-my-way-up-with-gumption swivel-lords: How long did you stay in that first shit job; what did you do in the middle of your career; and what do you do now? Were you always promoted by relative strangers, or did you or your family have prior connections with those higher-ups?
Because if the answer's ‘Cleaning all the way through with no hope of a mortgage’, I'll listen to you. I honestly will. There's nothing wrong with endorsing a simple life if you adhere to it, but most of these keyboard-chuffers are ignorant to their hypocrisy at best.
Her kids are great, of course. -
Oh yeah, and she has a dig at Jen Lawrence's dress. My views on looking out for yourself in Hollywood have been overvoiced to the point of sounding like a defence lately, but it's a fucking dress! And not literally.
Of course it's an invitation to tell her she's hot, because duh, but that's no licence to grope or touch or aggressively flirt with her. Which any decent man wouldn't, y'know.
But yo, let's all creep her out or something because our MRA dicks are shrivelling. -
adding that he had interviewed a newly qualified teacher who had asked: "Why should I come and work for you?"
Good. This should be the attitude.
Oh, we bring up the second world war, this 'article' has everything. -
No, blue passports were on a different page.
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