Vela wrote:I'm not using the word choice in the form of the normal argument here (pro voice/pro life). I mean choice as in the ability to decide to do something. The no vote is simply saying "no, you cannot choose to do that". This still leaves ample room for the "no" voters to define why they feel its important.RedDave2 wrote:The idea that it is about limiting choice ignores the view on the no side that they feel it isnt a choice to be made at all.
Kow wrote:Religious cunts is the reason.
djchump wrote:Oh man, c'mon Ireland. Don't be all like brexit/trump votey about this.
Vela wrote:You dont have to be in favour of murder to vote yes. A yes vote only needs to be in favour of it as being an option when needed.
Kow wrote:Voting yes doesn't affect you or your life or your right to an opinion or your right to campaign or convince people. Voting no shuts down the other side for your moral and religious right. Yes is the only democratically reasonable option, which is why there should be no vote on this.
Kow wrote:Whether or not you see it as murder,
Kow wrote:I believe something therefore I need you all to comply with that.
RedDave2 wrote:Again, that only works if you already see abortion as just a medical procedure. Its very different if you see it as murder and arguing 'oh well everyone else says its fine' is not going to cut it. The problem for me with the whole debate was that people tend to argue only from the side that they see it and in this case, the issue is vast in how it is differently perceived. So for example one of the pro choice arguments is that the embryo is just a clump of cells. But given that one of the worries on the no side is the devaluation of life, that argument cant and wont ever work. If anything, its backing up the No view that allowing Abortion as a legal option would devalue life.Kow wrote:Voting yes doesn't affect you or your life or your right to an opinion or your right to campaign or convince people. Voting no shuts down the other side for your moral and religious right. Yes is the only democratically reasonable option, which is why there should be no vote on this.
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