Brooks wrote:These people with their experiences.
They would have that down in that London.g.man wrote:Never hear of it in the north.
JonB wrote:Was there none of this anti-semitism in the Labour Party before Corbyn became leader then? Don't recall any other leaders being accused of failing to control it. Must be new, I guess.
Most leaders never had to deal with it because there wasn't a campaign in the party to oust them.Yossarian wrote:Most leaders haven’t been quite as flat-footed around dealing with these issues as Corbyn.JonB wrote:Was there none of this anti-semitism in the Labour Party before Corbyn became leader then? Don't recall any other leaders being accused of failing to control it. Must be new, I guess.
GooberTheHat wrote:I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, or that it's not an issue. But people that wouldn't normally make it an issue are making much more of it than they would normally, and that's because they want rid of Corbyn.
But the amount of press and the way this keeps rolling on seems kinda weird, surely? Given that we know the Tories are worse? Like, do the Tory Party even have anti-semitism guidelines?Yossarian wrote:I’m not pointing fingers at anyone, I’m saying that dismissing the concerns of a marginalised group as a conspiracy in a progressive, anti-racist organisation is a pretty shitty thing to do. Edit: Chump.
Not sure that part made it into the manifesto.Yossarian wrote:But the Tories is bollocks. Of course the Tories are antisemitic, of course they’re racist, of course they’re sexist, that’s part of the reason that people vote for them, that’s who they represent.
Riiight, so what do the Jewish folk you follow on Twitter have to say about that? Is it just a big shrug then back to bashing Corbyn?Yossarian wrote:But the Tories is bollocks. Of course the Tories are antisemitic, of course they’re racist, of course they’re sexist, that’s part of the reason that people vote for them, that’s who they represent.
So, there isn't a conspiracy, but maybe there is a bit of one? eh?Yossarian wrote:And there are a number of reasons that this keeps rolling around in the media, part of it may well be owing to a campaign to undermine Corbyn, but it’s just possible that that is not the only reason, no?
djchump wrote:But the amount of press and the way this keeps rolling on seems kinda weird, surely? Given that we know the Tories are worse? Like, do the Tory Party even have anti-semitism guidelines?Yossarian wrote:I’m not pointing fingers at anyone, I’m saying that dismissing the concerns of a marginalised group as a conspiracy in a progressive, anti-racist organisation is a pretty shitty thing to do. Edit: Chump.
Well if anti-Semitism in Labour isn't worse than in other parties, and if Labour have clearly taken measures to do something about it (as they have), then no, I can't see one.Yossarian wrote:And there are a number of reasons that this keeps rolling around in the media, part of it may well be owing to a campaign to undermine Corbyn, but it’s just possible that that is not the only reason, no?
djchump wrote:I've typed this post a few times but keep deleting it, but more and more I'm feeling like the Right is effectively gaslighting the Left.
Holding up minor failures in Left policies/people and shouting about them, ignoring the much larger failures on the Right.
When the Right does shitty things, pointing blame at the Left for "not stopping them" and "letting it happen".
Extreme case being when Right-wing nuts murder by driving cars into crowds, but somehow antifa protestors are "just as bad" because they maybe pushed a bin over or smashed a window. Fucking hell, there's no equivalence here.
Yossarian wrote:I’m genuinely a bit concerned by all this conspiracy stuff. I mean, as I say, I don’t doubt that there are people taking advantage of the situation, but the idea that there’s some concerted media narrative being pushed by everyone from the news media to individual celebrities on Twitter all in order to undermine Corbyn over something which doesn’t even exist is genuinely a bit nuts, IMO.
It's not about some massive conspiracy. Maybe some elements in the Labour party are conspiring, but more than anything they know by kicking up a stink about something as sensitive as anti-Semitism they can get continued media attention, get members of other parties putting the boot in etc. And yes, even left-leaning comedians and the like will feel a need to say something, because who likes anti-Semitism, right?Yossarian wrote:I’m genuinely a bit concerned by all this conspiracy stuff. I mean, as I say, I don’t doubt that there are people taking advantage of the situation, but the idea that there’s some concerted media narrative being pushed by everyone from the news media to individual celebrities on Twitter all in order to undermine Corbyn over something which doesn’t even exist is genuinely a bit nuts, IMO.
GooberTheHat wrote:Yossarian wrote:I’m genuinely a bit concerned by all this conspiracy stuff. I mean, as I say, I don’t doubt that there are people taking advantage of the situation, but the idea that there’s some concerted media narrative being pushed by everyone from the news media to individual celebrities on Twitter all in order to undermine Corbyn over something which doesn’t even exist is genuinely a bit nuts, IMO.
More opportunism than conspiracy I think.
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