Roujin wrote:Jokes on you I was talking about the Jews.
poprock wrote:Nicely and clearly explained, Crayon. What that build down to is that there are some who don’t accept trans people for what they are. Which is basic-level bigotry.
If trans women (for example) are women, then your older feminists have no argument. Women are oppressed by men. These are women. They can join the fight for equality.
If you don’t believe they’re women, then you’re disputing their identity beliefs. You’re being a bigot. Stop it.
Wrap that bigotry in as many ideological knots as you like, it remains hideous and ugly. Stop it.
Yossarian wrote:Right, so lets take the example of a woman who has been the victim of sustained male violence, say from an abusive partner. I’d argue that in that situation, it’s fairly normal to be distrustful and scared of men. Should we tell that person that they’re being a bigot or an arsehole for feeling concerned about sharing a female only space with a trans woman?
GooberTheHat wrote:If you're invested in the discussion I think there is absolutely a need for specific language and naming conventions to held describe the nuances in the movement, but it should be expected (and accepted) that those not invested are going to find the whirlwind of new terminology impenetrable and confusing.
equinox_code wrote:It’s a necessary prefix. If they all get lumped together as women it’s going to make me super nervous on tinder dates
Diluted Dante wrote:I dunno. "You absolute TEF" works.
Yossarian wrote:Another piece shared by Glinner on the Twitter: https://medium.com/@tan.ith9/an-open-letter-to-my-friend-who-thinks-transwomen-are-women-491659de2efb
Lord_Griff wrote:Diluted Dante wrote:I dunno. "You absolute TEF" works.
I joined the Trans Exclusionary Feminist Locals only Network, but I couldn't stick to it.
Lord_Griff wrote:I joined the Trans Exclusionary Feminist Locals only Network, but I couldn't stick to it.Diluted Dante wrote:I dunno. "You absolute TEF" works.
mistercrayon wrote:Twitter is designed around conflict though.
Yossarian wrote:It is? In what way?Twitter is designed around conflict though.
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