acemuzzy wrote:MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A PRE-REFERENDUM REFERENDUM ON WHAT THE QUESTION IS!
acemuzzy wrote:MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A PRE-REFERENDUM REFERENDUM ON WHAT THE QUESTION IS!
Yossarian wrote:Single transferable vote, three options:
1. Take May’s deal
2. No deal
3. Remain
Yossarian wrote:Single transferable vote, three options:
1. Take May’s deal
2. No deal
3. Remain
WorKid wrote:As much as I'd like a way back, I think a second referendum would be another disaster.
ChopperByrne wrote:
hunk wrote:ChopperByrne wrote:
Almost forgot about this.
The northern-irish definitely want a final say in Brexit.
ChopperByrne wrote:hunk wrote:ChopperByrne wrote:
Almost forgot about this.
The northern-irish definitely want a final say in Brexit.
And that's the biggest problem with Brexit. Northern Ireland wasn't even an afterthought. It was never thought about.
monkey wrote:Depends. If No Deal was an option, people might actually choose it, then we’re definitely fucked. If Remain was even on the ballot, you might get a far-right surge, riots. If Remain won, it could get very nasty.
djchump wrote:The campaigning for the first was a shitshow that exacerbated lots of nasty racists coming out of the woodwork - 2nd time around it'd be even worse, and they'd be banging a "we won the vote! This is unfair and undemocratic!" drum.
I'm not saying that that's worse than the long economic and social shadow that brexit is going to cause to the country, but just that the "why not? what could go worse?" line seems kind of a dangerous path to tread, because it can *always* get worse.
Andy wrote:monkey wrote:Depends. If No Deal was an option, people might actually choose it, then we’re definitely fucked. If Remain was even on the ballot, you might get a far-right surge, riots. If Remain won, it could get very nasty.djchump wrote:The campaigning for the first was a shitshow that exacerbated lots of nasty racists coming out of the woodwork - 2nd time around it'd be even worse, and they'd be banging a "we won the vote! This is unfair and undemocratic!" drum.
I'm not saying that that's worse than the long economic and social shadow that brexit is going to cause to the country, but just that the "why not? what could go worse?" line seems kind of a dangerous path to tread, because it can *always* get worse.
The first part of your second paragraph is the only bit that matters. Elsewhere, both your posts boil down to, “It's difficult to tell arseholes that they’re wrong, so we’ll just let them have their way.” Which is a lazy/cowardly response, especially when the situation is this serious.
People might vote for no deal? We’re headed that way already. It’s like hurtling down a road in a car with no brakes, and worrying that the people in the car might vote to not trying the useless brake pedal again.
We might here more from the racists? A second referendum isn’t going to make anyone more racist. It might make them more vocal, we can deal with that. Not having a second referendum isn’t going to make anyone less racist, either.
I just can’t believe that a genuine reaction to potentially the greatest political disaster in our lifetime is to say, “We’d best not try to stop it, because that seems awkward.”
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