WorKid wrote:There's a whole generation who should be flocking to this Labour banner for all sorts of reasons, but who feel deeply betrayed by 1) the actual lack of campaigning by JC during the referendum
WorKid wrote:How can you campaign heavily and not receive coverage? That's either wilfully staying out of the spotlight or failing to get your message out. Either way he wasn't visible during the referendum. Wasn't he "seven out of ten" in favour of the EU or some other lukewarm nonsense?
Armitage_Shankburn wrote:I don't really understand you lot. He's ambivalent about the EU. Are you not ambivalent about it? It's weird this sudden absolute love for a largely neoliberal, gargantuan bureaucratic engine of compromise, staffed by technocrats, with all sorts of core flaws. I don't remember any of you declaiming for Brussels in any year prior to 2015. Nor should you.
I don't understand how anyone can be anything but ambivalent about it. The point of voting remain is that it does more good than bad, that European nation states would be fucked without something like it, and overall it has delivered a half century of peace. If Corbyn's crime is to be ambivalent but leaning remain, he's par imo.
Plus, there is a movement now to reform it. It's up to nation states. And the left can leverage nationalism as a threat to put pressure.
pantyfire wrote:I'm hearing lots of "If this doesn't go ahead, I'll never vote again" rhetoric from the leavers.
Please never vote again.
pantyfire wrote:I'm looking forward to the pitched battles in the streets against the fascists.
They're can be a bounty of 50p per fascist tail.
LivDiv wrote:Corbyn demands ruling out no deal before talks.
monkey wrote:Fairly outrageous really that they would have lost but for the votes of a party that they've paid with public money to keep them in office.
SpaceGazelle wrote:So what now then?
Yes and no.kneecap wrote:LivDiv wrote:Corbyn demands ruling out no deal before talks.
Jesus Christ the negotiations are between the UK and EU not the UK and UK.
kneecap wrote:Yes but article 50 is triggered which means No Deal is the default position.
First let me say very clearly that I am not one of those people who questioned [May’s] motives.
I agree with [Tory MP Stephen Kerr] who claimed she was motivated by public duty.
I don’t doubt that she has sincerely attempted to fulfil the task given to us by the voters in the referendum.
I have no doubt that she has tried her best and given it her all. But she has failed. And I’m afraid the failure is hers. Hers alone ...
Throughout history prime ministers have tried their best and failed. There is no disgrace in that. That’s politics.
But this prime minister has chosen one last act of defiance – not just defying the laws of politics, but defying the laws of mathematics.
It was a Disraeli who said “a majority is always better than the best repartee”. She is a prime minister without a majority for her flagship policy, with no authority and no plan B.
Mr Speaker … that’s not a mere flesh wound
No one doubts her determination, which is generally an admirable quality, but misapplied it can be toxic ...
We know [May] has worked hard. But the truth is she is too set in her ways, too aloof to lead.
She lacks the imagination and agility to bring people with her.
She lacks the authority on the world stage to negotiate this deal.
Ultimately she has failed. It is not through lack of effort. It is not through a lack of dedication.
And I think the country recognises that effort. In fact the country feels genuinely sorry for the prime minister.
I feel sorry for the prime minister. But she cannot confuse pity for political legitimacy, sympathy for sustainable support.
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