Yeah, it's not like this is a broad cross section of locals, it's an invited audience. The last time it was from here the audience was packed with Perthshire tories.Yossarian wrote:Re: QT I do feel like we could be reading a bit too much into the reaction of a single audience on a single night, which isn’t to say that there isn’t an appetite for no deal amongst some parts of the U.K, but this cheer is only one data point.
RamSteelwood wrote:Cheers Pop, for the info, and the nightmare fuel!
Yeah I agree. These things are hellishly regional and that wouldn’t be happening in a London edition of QT. But it was Derby which is normal-ish. Like 60% leave or something which is normal for non-metropolitan areas. If it was Boston, I’d be happy to ignore it.Yossarian wrote:Re: QT
I do feel like we could be reading a bit too much into the reaction of a single audience on a single night, which isn’t to say that there isn’t an appetite for no deal amongst some parts of the U.K, but this cheer is only one data point.
Yup. We’ll be desperate for cash and Trump’s America will be the only place willing to do a quickie trade deal / asset strip.Roujin wrote:I fully expect for us to just become another state of the US after brexit and everything is privatised, US corpofucks invited to tender on providing services and being enticed by the govt having to change workers rights to make putting any money into this shithole the least bit appealing for employers.
poprock wrote:Following that up, we already know the Tories would like to repeal the European Human Rights Act. Without the EU to stop them, you can bet your bottom dollar that’s going to happen. “What has the Human Rights Act ever done for me?” I hear you ask. Well, it protects your right to a fair trial. It protects you from being sold into slavery. It protects your freedom of religion and your freedom of speech. It protects you from intrusive surveillance. It protects you from discrimination. It prevents the state from taking ownership of your possessions. It guarantees fair elections. It protects children’s right to an education.
monkey wrote:Scary though. Getting a bunch of people in a room and the winning vote goes to blowing up the country. That’s not right wherever it happens.
Menon wrote:… contrary to my worst fears, when I tried, nervously, to explain all of this to the audience in Derby, they didn’t heckle. They didn’t shout me down. They paid attention. Some caricature leavers as a bunch of ignorant oiks waiting to drown out arguments they don’t like; that’s certainly not a view I have any time for.
Andy wrote:They can try to repeal the Human Rights Act, but we’ll still be bound by ECHR.
poprock wrote:Of course, because what I (and others) have posted today is negative, it’s all just Project Fear and we can safely ignore it because ‘yay Britain’.
For fuck’s sake.
Yeah. It's why i was looking for definite 'fact' type things around no deal, info like you put together, because arguments around 'race to the bottom' for rights and stuff are too easy to dismiss as project fear, and obviously no one is going to promise that's what is going to happen, or do it on the day of brexit.poprock wrote:Of course, because what I (and others) have posted today is negative, it’s all just Project Fear and we can safely ignore it because ‘yay Britain’. For fuck’s sake.
Diluted Dante wrote:Harder how? Presumebly the only thing would be dropping the backstop, which then blows up the deal with the EU.
poprock wrote:Do people (esp. hardcore leave supporters) just not see that fucking with the Irish border in any way at all leads directly to civil unrest, military intervention, domestic terrorism, and lots of people dying? Have they all forgotten what it was like to hear regular news reports of IRA bombs in western/northwestern England? Did they even fucking notice the bombing in Londonderry over the weekend?
poprock wrote:In future, without that, our Parliament can enact local UK laws that run counter to the European Court of Human Rights. The UK Gov will be able to undermine our human rights at will.
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