Bland is kind of the point though, he needs to win over people who didn't vote or voted Republican last time. People who were happy to vote for Obama. It's the debates with Trump that I'd fear.Kow wrote:I'm not convinced someone as middle of the road and bland can beat Trump. Literally, his only point of interest is he was veep for Obama. Anyway, it's not over yet.
Well then they're idiots.Brooks wrote:I know plenty of Bernie voters at this point and they're all sitting out the general if it's Biden. I'd do the same.
GooberTheHat wrote:Well then they're idiots. Cutting off their nose to spite their faces.Brooks wrote:I know plenty of Bernie voters at this point and they're all sitting out the general if it's Biden. I'd do the same.
Brooks wrote:Categorically they're not convinced the Dems as they are are better than Trump, and they're not particularly wrong. If you're in for Bernie you want results, not the mere pageantry of blue-team-good when even fairly casual analysis of that party's activities would not in fact demonstrate a lot of good at all. Token engagement is absolutely not useful and mostly just more personal stress. The entire Sanders run has been in spite of the Democrat establishment, because they suck.
Trump staying in power is a lot more harmful than Biden.
Brooks wrote:Trump staying in power is a lot more harmful than Biden.
This isn't really clear at all, hence the reticence. Most Bernie working class voters have been fucked over by an entire class of people on both teams.
Brooks wrote:They've already stacked the courts and gerrymandered pretty fucking effectively, now what.
Insofar as electoral participation as a matter of stats rises with wealth and age idk why you'd conclude this really.Not voting for Biden against Trump in a two horse race seems to me to come from a place of luxury and comfort.
MattyJ wrote:Brooks wrote:Trump staying in power is a lot more harmful than Biden.
This isn't really clear at all, hence the reticence. Most Bernie working class voters have been fucked over by an entire class of people on both teams.
Pretty sure Biden wouldn't lock kids in cages, despite his shit record on wars etc
Kow wrote:Trump has made everyone forget that the Dems are also a bunch of cunts.
Facewon wrote:Exit polling of Warren supporters shows 40% would move to sanders 15% to Biden.!
Funkstain wrote:This so-called centrist common sense “he’s not as bad as the other guy” “you need to actually get into power before you can do anything” bullshit is the worst thing about following politics. If someone could provide me an example of a centrist (wtf is that anyway) who got into power and actually pivoted progressively in any kind of major way, that’d be much appreciated. It’s power for power’s sake and hiding behind a progressive veneer because you’re not overtly racist or sexist doesn’t disguise your odiousness. There are still those (all home owning graduates) who pine for Blair for fucks sake.
LivDiv wrote:Not voting for Biden against Trump in a two horse race seems to me to come from a place of luxury and comfort.
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