Speedhaak wrote:

Well personally I don't know what the fascination is with playing games based in the real world. It defeats the escapism aspect of it all.

Speaking as somebody who has never visited a post Event New York, let alone shot up the various miscreants that inhabit it, I'd say The Division counts as escapism.

What we all really want though, is a now gen China Rising. I don't think this or Wildlands is it, but the latter may come close.

Nah, its a new restaurant

FranticPea wrote:

As in the BF map dlc?

China Rising, Dragon Rising, whatevs.

Ah. I didn't twig.

There's a video in the OP from the 2013 E3 reveal which has damage numbers popping and shit which hints at the RPG elements. Think they've always been there, long before Destiny was a success.

It is odd how many people seem to be surprised by it though, myself included the other week. Maybe it's just having played and experienced Destiny I now see this stuff with a different set of eyes and notice stuff that passed me by on first watch. Either that or I'm getting old and senile, but that's unpossible, right?

Matt_82 wrote:

g.man wrote:

Angry Joe sits down with the devs and plays The Division for an hour. Asks a lot of questions, gets a lot of answers. There's nearly an hour of this, but if you're at all interested in the game, then it's well worth watching... Me? I'm liking the look of most of what I'm seeing. Looks like it could be a hoot in co-op/multiplayer.

stonechalice wrote:

After what Ubisoft did with Watchdogs you can colour me completely out of the frame for this. It looks heavily run of the mill. Visuals look way worse than that initial E3 reveal. I do wonder how much variety there will be with nothing but humanoid AI to shoot as well. The third person action looks distinctly lacklustre.

OK, so I admit I haven't read all promo/preview stuff for this, but am getting more perplexed by this narrative of a. a downgrade in graphics and b. RPG aspects being added in response to Destiny.

The E3 reveal Has numbers all over the shop. Right smack bang in the middle of the screen after a kill it says:

+250xp

How are people surprised by this?

I also question, unless someone's done some proper side by side pixel counting, that there's been a "major" downgrade. 

Don't know what the E3 reveal was running on, and it was clearly scripted to fuck, but the angry joe vid looks to me exactly like how I would expect the gameplay to look in the hands of an actual player vs a scripted e3 presentation. 

Seriousy confused by folks feeling duped or misled.

I read somewhere that while the graphics have been toned down (like that's never happened before) ten alpha, which everyone is comparing it to, wasnt the full texture pack.

But GTA online was awful.

It took them too long to get it running. 
Nowadays if it's not working well out of the box then by the time it's fixed its dead.

Caveat - online.

pantyfire wrote:

It took them too long to get it running.  Nowadays if it's not working well out of the box then by the time it's fixed its dead. Caveat - online.

Fair warning, I'm going to waffle here...


Which is weird though right, cos stuff like gta online comes out broken and there's a small window where if they make it awesome in time it retains a decent player base. But a free to play or open alpha/beta comes out and is obviously broken and still early days but can still grow a player base long term. Expectations I reckon, we buy things like gta and the division as blockbuster boxed products, expecting (hoping) the online to be pretty much spot on within a few weeks, but stuff like mine craft we can get behind for the long term from an alpha.  Makes me wonder what would happen if Ubi had developed the division in the way minecraft was made, for its entire 5+ year cycle.

It would be really refreshing if you could start slagging a game off once you've played it.

pantyfire wrote:

I want a tight tactical team shooter, that isn't a jacked up on speed twitch fest.

This. I don't think this is it though, but am willing to give it a shot.

FranticPea wrote:

pantyfire wrote:

I want a tight tactical team shooter, that isn't a jacked up on speed twitch fest.

This. I don't think this is it though, but am willing to give it a shot.

This is what I am expecting from this- watched a few vids the other night- not really on board with the crit. in here but have noticed the difference between visual promises in the recent vid. DIdn't Watchdags face the same aesthetic challenge when it came to delivery?

stonechalice wrote:

It's not misleading, it's fact.

I was half tongue in cheek, but seriously, unless I missed it, the still screen in your post shows side by side, yet there's no side by side of The Division in the vid. Not that that matters particularly, a drop off in quality, as someone pointed out, from E3 reveal to final product is a complete non-shocker. I'm going to say that it happens on just about every fucking release ever. Whether it should or not is moot, again, I'm just a little confused by people feeling misled, or surprised. 

I mean I'm only comparing youtube vid to youtube vid, and the link you provided is a guy talking about dynamic lights and reflections and such and highlighting details in the background which, frankly, aren't the be all and end all. 

Anyhoo, will probably give this a bash when it comes out, mayber.