I read that Montefiore book on Jerusalem and I am still confused as to who might be right on the issue. From what I gather it should be given back to the descendents of the Canaanites.

I lived in Tel Aviv for 6 months. They are lunatics, yes.

There's the good and bad of Glasgow on display in the last 24hrs. Genuinely inspiring peaceful community action followed by twats being twats.

Khun Top agrees

Hope everyone's had a lovely day, tbh, and gets home safe.

The ‘fans’ banging on train windows shouting “knee deep in fenian blood” weren’t helping anybody have a lovely day.

Absolute cuntery. Fucking clowns the lot of them.

I don’t know how Glasgow could go about untangling its football teams and culture from the tribalism, aggro and utter shitery of its worst fans - on both sides, not just Rangers. But I really fucking wish it would.

It’s not just George Square though, is it? Or even just public spaces. You can’t use public transport when there’s been a game on, you’ll get threatened and abused by some cunt. When one of these arseholes lives in your close, your own home becomes a nightmare when a game is on the TV. The pals round for beers. The obscene level of drunkenness. The noise. The jumping and banging on the floor. The shouting and screaming. The falling down the stairs because they can’t handle the drink. The smashed windows. The blood. Oh god, the blood.

Sounds like they're better than us at football loutery, another thing for us to be ashamed of.

I'll defend people's right to be there and celebrate but not the sectarianism and violence. Shameful but sadly predictable when you combine an early kick off with exuberance and lots of alcohol. The scrapping, that is.

As for the litter, it's cleaned up now already so let's calm it a bit there. Maybe the council could have, I dunno, forseen this and installed a few industrial bad boys for the day? I dunno. It just doesn't bother me that much. It's a natural consequence that happens at every single 'event'.

It's hard to do this with the lack of nuance and understanding seen here and elsewhere. Just straight to the outrage and sweeping generalisations that veer towards classism, imho. If your angle is "it's just football!" then I'll bow out, we're not going to agree on the simplest of levels so there's no point. If you're using it to label us all "hun vermin", "mutants" or "knuckle-daggers" which I have seen by friends and even elected members of Parliament, then wow. (by the by, I'm also extremely embarrassed for everyone by the whataboutery comparisons to demos/protests, just stfu, please)

So: hey, if you went out into town yesterday to celebrate 55, each to their own, but I hope you had a nice time, didn't cause trouble, and got home safe. It's been a long decade and if you wanted to celebrate then fair enough, I understand you on an emotional level. But, if this all happened in, say, Bellahouston? It probably would've went down better, I'll admit. The timing and (lack of) organisation left us with consequences that lay firmly on you if you were there. Yous all know the risk that's been run. But still, I understand it.
If you were singing songs that set us back 100 years, engaged in violence towards others or the police, or intimidated general members of the public, then you're a stupid idiot and you should quite rightly have the book thrown at you, and be banned from Ibrox. That is, if you've ever actually set foot there.
I'm ashamed, and I'll continue to call out that shite where and when I can, but I'd also ask for just the slightest bit of understanding towards us vast majority of good folks just celebrating our team.

I know it’s probably hard to see from your end Gav, but the huge majority of people are not blaming you and yours. Almost everybody knows this stuff is about arseholes being arseholes, and the football or the particular team is just an excuse.

But it’s arseholes who wear their colours loud and proud, and think they represent you and yours. The same way a racist skinhead thug thinks he represents every right-thinking Englishman.

I see so many Rangers fans on the defensive today across social media, as if they’ve been personally blamed for last night. Don’t be defensive, be vocal in your anger towards the arseholes involved. The only people blaming all Rangers fans are the just-as-bad arseholes from the Celtic supporting side. Don’t give ’em the oxygen.

"their right to be there"

Honestly. Fuck me.

What right is that exactly? With all that's going on right now?

I haven't been home in 18 months. My dad has never met his grandson. We're so fucking close and these picks are doing that? I don't care if its a good bunch of lads celebrating their team. They're putting people at risk and fucking it up for the rest of us.

Join the Scottish and English leagues up and they'll never have anything to celebrate.

afgavinstan wrote:

Frosty, there was zero spike in cases after the scenes in March. I understand your grievances. Trust me, I've been in the mire with it. But we're also at a time where restrictions and rules are ever changing depending on where you are and what govt you're under. We've got 22,000 at Wembley yesterday hugging and cheering, from Monday we can fly to Portugal from GLA, but at the same time I can have a pint in Rutherglen but not Toryglen as its too dangerous. I want it to make sense too.

But this is the type of whataboutery shit I'm wanting to avoid so I'll apologise and be on my way.

I'm just tired and seeing large groups of people breaking the restrictions makes me mad. I just want to be able to take a trip home with my son.