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  • Number of people using Trussell Trust (biggest but far from only group of food banks) has gone from 25,000 in 2008/9 to 2,500,000 in 2020/21.
    A relatively steady incline before anyone thinks Covid or even Brexit.

    I guess nothing has changed though. Its all Tony Starmer's fault.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/382695/uk-foodbank-users/
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    Dedication's what you need.
    Holding the wrong end of the stick since 2009.
  • Sounds like Private Eye have an interesting story about wasted PPE money …
    The Department of Health insists it paid £600m to an interior design company for PPE. The money is nowhere to be seen in the firm’s accounts. They won’t answer the Eye’s questions. So where’s the money gone? Full story in the brand new Private Eye, out today.
  • The political editor at Byline Times has been describing Gove’s Levelling Up report over on Twitter.
    I’m not saying Michael Gove struggled to find things to put in his 'Levelling Up’ white paper, but he’s devoted three pages to the history of Jericho, Rome and Renaissance Europe.

    And it’s true, he has.

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    And, er … even that only pads out the pages because he’s repeated sentences.
  • While I’m at it, this came from Labour MP Darren Jones earlier today. Comparing the goals from the levelling up report with the goals of the Industrial Strategy which it is supposed to replace. THEY’RE THE SAME. Gove is clearly one of those boys who copied other people’s homework at school.

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  • No.

    Edit: lol I hit post, thanks phone.

    I mean, no, its not really a copy, some of the new goals are deliberately vague so that can be achieved by other means, that don't really help anyone.

    For instance, the Health and Housing goals are arguably not the same at all. Living longer is not leveling up if your quality of life is shit, and does to home ownership are absolutely not helping anyone if the right types of homes aren't being built in quantities to meet demand.

    Fuck the Tories, as per, obvs.
    "Let me tell you, when yung Rouj had his Senna and Mansell Scalextric, Frank was the goddamn Professor X of F1."
  • Aye, you’re right. A fair few of those replace commitments with platitudes.
  • Just give them another decade in power to achieve their nebulous goals and then judge them on it. It’s only fair.
  • Remember, in 2010 Labour left a note saying they spent all the money.
  • Happy Captain Tom Day Fuckwits! 
    https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/02/captain-tom-would-have-urged-nation-pull-together-in-troubled-times-16026871/

    Donate now. Give money to help 
    [checks notes] ... baby boomers get 
    [check notes, splutters coffee, double-checks notes again, shakes head incredulously, mumbles under breath] laptops. 

    Like children in need apparently. But just for old people that voted for Brexit. 
    Yes just ££££s a month from you will help the most, literally the most, financially comfortable and protected generation of people in the history of humanity get some free tech and some other bollocks we haven't thought of yet.
  • If you're against this idea, you hate Britain.
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    monkey wrote:
    If you're against this idea, you hate Britain.

    Basically a fascist scumbag.
  • Its been a year since his daughter effectively killed him has it?
  • Matt Vickers Tory MP on Channel 4 news right now.
    Did this guy used to present a late night Channel 5 gambling programme? Cheesey gameshow twat.
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    Fuck, looks like everything’s about to kick off over NI. Stormont saying that they’re stopping checks on goods going to the UK due to legal advice. I can only assume that the legal advice has come from Downing Street.
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    A fetid cat?
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    Let's break international law so the EU can be the enemy again!
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    Yossarian wrote:
    Fuck, looks like everything’s about to kick off over NI. Stormont saying thoat they’re stopping checks on goods going to the UK due to legal advice. I can only assume that the legal advice has come from Downing Street.

    Aye. Poots is the minister who is calling this move is in serious diffs locally. Has been fucked over in pre May election moves in the party (DUP) and hasnt a constituency to compete in at present.. There's a fair bit of posturing mixed in with this.playing to the squealing hardcore.
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  • Its been a year since his daughter effectively killed him has it?
    He died for our sins.
  • So the Levelling Up thing apparantly contains some plans first announced by Gordon Brown.
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    Well they've only had 12 years to try and implement them. I'd like to see you do better.
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    MattyJ wrote:
    Off the top of my head, since leaving the EU food prices have risen, energy prices have risen, fuel costs have risen...

    My LIDL shops haven't risen a lot in that timeframe (granted, the future's always coming), and my electric's gone up steadily since I moved here in 2012. I only need to heat a 20x22' space with ground-source, and can't say I've noticed much of an additional bump in recent years. And I say that with an income around £15k.

    (Was really surprised to hear the average is something like 38, by the way. My sister's quite a high ICU band with a degree and further training, and that's about 30, so I would've guessed 28.)

    Fuel's by far my biggest increase, but that's mainly because my old car needs E5, which is now the same price as 99 used to be, while E10's now at E5's former price. I can't think of a power group who'd criticise rather than endorse that revised pricing model? Especially with a banger's borderline emissions.

    I'm obviously not saying that prices aren't rising (they undeniably are), nor that our leave deal wasn't trash, but I don't think it's a big enough change yet to repel leave-voting Tory supporters in droves.

    It's maybe going that way, but my IRL social groups aren't blaming the Tories for it. Plus, that Savile dig was crafty from Johnson. As I mentioned recently, nothing plays to his working-class supporters like a nonce hunt.

    Was the crux of my comment and what I meant for consideration, but I should've been clearer.

    My Starmer beef's a birds of a feather thing, that's all. Not quite as much needle in it as it seems. Like, we've now a community shop with about a dozen volunteers, but I'm more of an outsider than ever. Nothing in common with their lifestyles, and that's generally how we mix.

    I'd be more accepted if I volunteered, but here's the rich irony: only if I kept my socialist beliefs to myself. The newer villagers are mostly nice people, but I'll never belong with them because they know which road I live in (the single ex-council) and what I do, and that's too high a compatibility hurdle. As if there's an unsaid rule that I don't deserve to be here, despite being OG.

    Cooorrrbyn almost bridged us, but too many bought the smears. As they'd have bought them about McDonnell, or any other leftwing leader. Starmer's probably not inherently evil or owt, but he's going after a contracting middle.

    The cargo cult of Blairism, who overlook Blair's shrinking majorities the more we actually saw of it. Tons of people didn't vote for Blairism in '97, but socialism. And that's why Corbyn's 2017 result almost matched his record.

    LivDiv wrote:
    Number of people using Trussell Trust (biggest but far from only group of food banks) has gone from 25,000 in 2008/9 to 2,500,000 in 2020/21.

    I guess nothing has changed though. Its all Tony Starmer's fault.

    I never said that things aren't noticeably worse on a five- or ten-year scale, just that Starmer won't fix any of it, and so any small reductions he might bring would go unnoticed by many.

    Miliband wouldn't have stopped benefits sanctions, for example (on record), so foodbanks would've still spread on his watch. Indeed, sanctions were Labour's idea.

    I'm not saying that most of you shouldn't vote Starmer to ease your adversities. Simply that you're part of that contraction above me, and too little done now will eventually come for you unless you keep climbing. Our current choice is between dabbing the brakes for a slower crash, or jumping out. And there's a steering wheel!

    It's a choice I feel shouldn't be made without regret there isn't a leftwing option (unless you're an out-and-out bastard, but then you can just vote Tory). And it depresses me that several of you still think this Labour is good. Which is the main reason I'm so annoying in here.

    So unless a new leftwing party comes along, which I'd love, the schadenfreude of seeing Labour's scabs taken down is all I have to hope for. My Portillos; choo, fucking choo. Leave me me pens!

    I'll try and shut up until that day comes now; let your pro-Starmer comments fly without niggling at me. You're certainly all clear on my feelings about this Labour, as you were when I said that Owen Smith and then later Starmer would fail as leaders. Time'll tell if our future falls on Blair's side again.
  • If your IRL fiends aren't blaming the tories for what you mentioned, but have taken joy in Johnson's completely false (as has been proven) claim about Saville and Starmer, then that speaks volumes about their politics.
    I'm falling apart to songs about hips and hearts...
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    I find it a depressing reflection of Tory control of the narrative, as well as of Labour's centralism. I struggle to believe that a decade of Miliband wouldn't have left them front tangibly better off not than they are - but there's obviously no way to answer that definitively (handy for the Tories...). Literal billions wasted that haven't been invested in rural areas like yours. Money funneled to the PM's mates' constituencies. Lost EU funding FFS.
    And yet your friends position is "lol nonce" and "it would have been the same".

    I get that to get a truely material change won't come from (current) Labour. But aagh we're going round in circles. And maybe I'm wrong about whether there would have been a noticeable difference from labour anyway.

    And almost worst, the Tories keep getting their votes. So it's some self-perpetuating death spiral.
  • Anyone who believes Starmer is a nonce shielder surely also bought into Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser. They will also believe whatever tripe is dreamt up about a leader of a 'true leftwing' party.
  • LivDiv wrote:
    Anyone who believes Starmer is a nonce shielder surely also bought into Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser. They will also believe whatever tripe is dreamt up about a leader of a 'true leftwing' party.
    This exactly. 

    We all know that in the next six months Murdoch will be pushing that narrative from now on the same way he was pushing bullshit about Corbyn. I wouldn't be surprised if that evil bastard suggested it to Johnson in the first place, with the promise to back it up with Media bullshit.
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