The British Politics Thread - The Bear and Badger

RedDave2

monkey wrote:

I regret to inform you all that Mick Lynch is now cancelled.
https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1539731821180731393?s=21&t=PjxQB8_Sp7bNI2TtsCNHKQ

Would have been nice if he was given chance to explain why he thought this.pro brexit positions so far have been poor but I'd be curious on his take.

I mean, I might still disagree but I'd reckon he has more weight to his reason than the tory lot.

davyK

Brexit will mean public sector procurements of (I think) over £140,000 wont have to be open to the EU.

In reality I never had a non UK response to procurements I ran but other sectors probably would. And the most I've spent is £1m which isn't much in the scheme of things. So I suppose it keeps the business inside the UK.

EU state aid laws prevent public sector spending of over (again, I think) £150 000 annually in a market with active competitors. That is a block to public sector investment in national infrastructure in some circumstances so that is why Corbyn would have been lukewarm on Remain. Unions would likely align with that.

Yossarian

I understood, although disagreed with, the Lexit case at the time. I’m unsure how anyone who voted for Brexit on the strength of it can look at what’s happened since Brexit and not conclude that it was a mistake.

Brooks

Ultimately, a sufficiently motivated socialist govt would just spend how the fuck it likes anyway and see if any EU org would have actually spoiled for a ruck. Considerably less disruptive than a whole fucking Brexit.

b0r1s

Be interested to see what his argument would have been, but fuck Brexit and all Brexiteers who can't accept it's absolutely fucked the country, into the bin.

monkey

He wasn’t in charge of the RMT in 2016 (think he was deputy) but here’s the RMT’s reasons.
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-sets-out-six-key-reasons-for-leaving-the-eu/

Tldr - It’s Lexit. Let’s stop the EU neoliberalism by giving power to the ultra neolib right-wing Tories that want to destroy us.

b0r1s

Well I read number 1 and stopped, as that is fundamentally the same under the Tories. Maybe, just maybe, the union is made up of a large proportion of old racist white guys who drank the immigrant Kool aid.

Brooks

There have definitely been loads of shitboys in unions, but you'd still rather have unions than not, on current evidence of workers' outcomes since Thatcher.

monkey

It was obvious at the time that, despite what anyone may have thought about the EU, the main people campaigning for Brexit, and who were going to take power if they accomplished it, were not going to provide the left-wing with an improvement to their situation.

Anyway, just a side note in the grand scheme of things.

b0r1s

Brooks wrote:

There have definitely been loads of shitboys in unions, but you'd still rather have unions than not, on current evidence of workers' outcomes since Thatcher.

Strong agree. Just reading that page, the RMT have definitely been sold on the Tory rhetoric. Some of it is word-for-word.

Brooks

Quite. At absolute best the current trajectory of what's left of the organised uh left is to try to somehow present an electable option for picking up the pieces of Brexit-induced dilapidation. I don't consider that much of an opportunity, and certainly not at that price.

Diluted Dante

Lexit was rooted in fantasyland. There was no way any of it would happen under a Tory Government.

Rev

Mick Lynch talks like Corbyn. Nothing to hide, no big sound bites, not regurgitating from a prepared script. No lying and genuine passion for what he is trying to achieve. Therefore the name calling just bounces off him because he's not like the bullshit we're so used to seeing on the tv from Johnson and his pack of jackals. In fact I would wager that he probably comes across like what any normal person would sound like. 'Here's the reasons we're doing this, this is why it's important' and why he's happy to point out the lies from the Tory MPs.

davyK

I'm of an age that I remember a time when union power was abused - or at least it's perceived that way - 2 men to change a light bulb and all that guffins. So I have had an aversion to them because of that but always realised their inherent worth.

But we need them now more than ever. Well run unions provide a counter-balance to capitalist, competitive forces. (and vice-versa)

Yossarian

Yeah, we’ve definitely gone too far the other way.

Brooks

Lynch changing his controversial profile pic to Morgan with Ghislaine Maxwell, can this man's stock rise any higher.

Matt_82

What I find funny is that the shitey journalists were trying to gotcha him with ridiculous questions about profile pictures and picket line violence and were made to look foolish as a result.

Had they actually just quizzed him about Brexit and his support etc, they would have done a far better job of making sure he wasn't seen as a Twiiter folk hero.

Wookienopants

Brooks wrote:

Lynch changing his controversial profile pic to Morgan with Ghislaine Maxwell, can this man's stock rise any higher.

Is this true?!
If so AMAZING

Brooks

Matt_82 wrote:

Had they actually just quizzed him about Brexit and his support etc, they would have done a far better job of making sure he wasn't seen as a Twiiter folk hero.

This would own a big chunk of the British public by association, so that wasn't gonna happen.

Frosty

Wookienopants wrote:

Brooks wrote:

Lynch changing his controversial profile pic to Morgan with Ghislaine Maxwell, can this man's stock rise any higher.

Is this true?!
If so AMAZING

It is not true

afgavinstan

Booooo.

Wookienopants

BOOOO urns

Diluted Dante

GooberTheHat

But drivers aren't on strike, so why the inclusion?

Frosty

They're willfully incompetent?

GooberTheHat

Deliberate misrepresentation

monkey

Grant Shapps has been talking about train drivers pay since this began.

Wookienopants

Because Shapps is an idiot

Diluted Dante

I don't care what Michael Green has to say about this.

Gremill

The whole argument that because railway workers get paid X, which is higher than another job that gets paid Y, and so they shouldn't be going on strike is complete whataboutist bollocks. Same with the "they've had pay rises in the past so shouldn't get one now" pish.

This is why we have unions - to negotiate pay and conditions that give the workers a fair wage for their work and to protect them when the bosses and companies try to take the piss on either of those areas. You don't think you're being treated fairly? Join a union, or unionise, and negotiate from a position of strength.

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