Death Stranding - Kojima/Reedus - The Bear and Badger

Nina

SpaceGazelle wrote:

Took balls to make this game, especially for the first title by a new studio. It's an amazing feat really

Yeah B said it really was a small team that made this, he was still at Guerilla when the team came over to discuss the engine possibilities. They really made the barren feeling a feature of the game.

I'm

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Still enjoyable, B is absolutely horrified by the paths I take but I just really want to sight see a bit, collect come crystals etc.

SpaceGazelle

Took this for a spin on my new telly and it's so pretty. HDR is win.

Nina

It's full of humor as well. I'm in chapter 3 now.

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If I have missing cargo though, is there a way to see where it is? It must have fallen off somewhere, or I might have stashed it somewhere I forgot about.

Edit, does anyone actually know if they ever explained how they did the building online stuff? B reckons half the things you see aren't even made by others, they just pretend it is. As they can never show everything, cause you wouldn't have any landscape left. I honestly can't tell, I still enjoy stumbling upon things others placed. Would be interesting to know how they've decided what to show. What if two people made a bridge at the same spot at the same time? Etc.

b0r1s

I love roads… I got obsessed with roads.

In regards lost cargo I don’t think so. I had a break from playing on my second play through and had three orders outstanding from cargo I lost and I couldn’t find a way to recall where it was, so I just cancelled the orders.

I always thought it just did different instances of servers, pulled X amount of stuff and maybe had rules for only so many things in a zone being built by others. But B could be right.

SpaceGazelle

The structures are definitely made by other actual people or groups. You can check it all out if you go to Map/Information and select Bridge Links. I think you can tag certain players and more of their stuff will appear ingame. Normally the structures that appear are from a random group you're linked to for that server session and the more likes the structures receive the higher chance they have in appearing in others games.

drumbeg

Nina wrote:

If I have missing cargo though, is there a way to see where it is? It must have fallen off somewhere, or I might have stashed it somewhere I forgot about.

Your dropped cargo shows up on the map I think. It's highlighted in red. But, after time, if you stray too far from it, it becomes eligible for delivery by other players and the game will tell you this. i.e. In their game, they see it as lost cargo and get a bonus for delivering it. It can show up again in your game in the shared locker at the intended destination, as long as somebody else delivered it (but you will have probably moved on from that particular mission by then).

Nina wrote:

B reckons half the things you see aren't even made by others, they just pretend it is. As they can never show everything, cause you wouldn't have any landscape left. I honestly can't tell, I still enjoy stumbling upon things others placed. Would be interesting to know how they've decided what to show. What if two people made a bridge at the same spot at the same time? Etc.

The game just shows you some of the structures built by other players. Every player sees different stuff. You can add other players as "bridge links" in the menu somewhere meaning you are more likely to see their stuff.

b0r1s wrote:

I love roads… I got obsessed with roads.

Me too. I finished every road in the game!

SpaceGazelle

https://www.eurogamer.net/death-stranding-multiplayer-6027

Nina

Yeah it's more that B thought they were just pretending it to be from other players as he assumes it's really complicated to make it in such a way that it works. But I've searched around a bit and it does seem like it's actual people's structures, but just heavily filtered and I guess gradually introduced. I have unlocked roads but I'm probably too early in the story still to see a lot of them.

Still in chapter 3 but I must be towards the end of it, I've met most of the people on the map.

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So yeah, still great. Planning out your orders, trying to get as many of them at a time and think of the perfect route to take while doing all deliveries is pretty satisfying. Looking at other people's buildings (I saw a big Tall neck hologram today, pretty cool), getting surprised by BT's or time fall, just looking around to take in the environment, find places where people peed and pee there as well (or where people rested), there's a lot of things to see and discover that really add to the world building.

b0r1s

It is great and I’m considering double dipping to play it on steam deck. Will wait for a sale.

As for your spoiler I spent ages building roads first before attempting the real big jobs and loaded up my truck.

digi

I have one piece of road to build.
I'm done with story though and just working towards platinum trophy.

Nina

I hardly build any big things myself. I try to contribute to the things I see, I'll grab vehicles when I see them, prefer that over making my own etc. I will make the small things like the PCC and carriers, not gonna cross my fingers and hope they're in a shared storage unit. It feels weird that in a game where resources are low I would just build my own in stead of first looking around to see what's available. Will probably try a truck next time as there's a 1000kg order that I can take which would be on my route. So far I've been using motorcycles just because I enjoy those. I'm not sure how good the trucks will navigate the terrain if there's no roads up.

Got to chapter 5 now and I'm still absolutely amazed by the game. Can't say I really understand the story, but who cares if it's told in such a beautiful way. Incredibly impressed by the characters and how they interact etc. One of the flashbacks I got when connecting the BB in an elevator scene had the guy drink from a glass. Just the way he held it and touched his lips was done so well. No weird clipping or anything. Some of the bases I've been to and only had to interact with once or so do feel a bit empty, but it's alright. Not every character needs a big backstory and a proper model, some are just there to survive.

Story wise

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Just great. I wasn't looking forward to entering mule territory to grab things to bring with me to Port Knot City, but I did prepare and brought stun grenades and decoy coffers etc. Only for me to misjudge a jump, fall down a cliff, try to soothe BB only to get attacked and knocked out, so all my gear was taken. Who's gonna soothe me? Managed to do it by grabbing one package, just punching everyone that came to me and then putting the packages I got into a nearby locker, until I had all. I tried to get the game consoles to complete my first Collector prepper order but that'll have to wait. Crossing fingers it gets easier to deal with the mules later.

But then, the nuke, Higgs face reveal, Fragile's story, throwing away the nuke, getting to South Knot City only to get blown into a parallel warzone with the BB dad... (was a bit weird that I got taken so easily as I was carrying max metals etc to bring to a road construction right out of the city), I saw the dead whale, and then visiting Mama. A lot of great moments that ended with learning how to make zip lines, so looking forward to seeing those now. It's time to go into the snowy mountains. I'll wait with completing more secondary orders in this area for a bit, see if I advance the story a bit more will unlock more roads etc for me to use.

Just keep going I guess, Sam's getting stronger but that only means I'll load him up. B thinks it's a bit harsh if me to always load up to max height, but hey, gotta be efficient. Was mentioned that I'm about halfway through by one of the characters when it comes to connecting strands, and knowing chapter 3 is way longer than others and can feel like it starts to drag for more people, does make me excited to see where it goes. Curious about the West Coast. B played it last year or so and I do remember the snowy mountains vaguely, but hardly anything after. Definitely avoided all story beats (which he'll happily spoil, told him about the warzone chapter and he was like "oh almost at the end then" and I replied that I was halfway through according to the NPC's. "Ah so it was just the first warzone scene then". Thanks.)

b0r1s

You’ve got to the bit that challenged my patience on my first play through but one that I loved on my second run. And that was purely down to my approach to the game.

Spoilered my approach to the game, no story spoilers.

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ShabbyMcCrabby

Nina gone full B and now talking about game characters drinking from glasses.

That bit you just did is really great though. The new unlock is super handy too

Nina

That wasn't needed Shabby, I will never go that crazy.

I saw earlier in the thread someone was able to add Davie and see all their constructions etc, I was wondering if I could add steam people and see their stuff as well. But I don't think anyone is playing right now so things might have been taken by timefall.

Boris:

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b0r1s

On the roads side I missed out a whole section on first play through. Felt super accomplished when I finally did it.

If this drops to a decent price in a steam sale I’ll definitely double dip.

b0r1s

Started this again. Thought I’d done all the roads. I’ve got two sections to complete. I’m back on it and going to 5 star all the preppers.

digi

b0r1s wrote:

Started this again. Thought I’d done all the roads. I’ve got two sections to complete. I’m back on it and going to 5 star all the preppers.

Iv got 2 of the hidden preppers to do to 5 star and a standard one to finish off,
Also have 2 parts of a road to finish and been using and upgrading my own and your zip lines etc.

b0r1s

Cheers! I Bridge linked to you last night. Still don’t know what it does but guess I may interact with more of your stuff now. You trying to Platinum it?

digi

b0r1s wrote:

Cheers! I Bridge linked to you last night. Still don’t know what it does but guess I may interact with more of your stuff now. You trying to Platinum it?

I am, been slowly ploughing away at it, so chill.

SpaceGazelle

I'm going to have another run.

Nina

Are you on PC Gazelle?

I didn't get to play this weekend but I did make some progress since last post, and tbh I'm not sure where I'm at now with the game.

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I had to go to Mountain Knot City, while stopping at a few other places to get there. So I decided to first go to the craftsman, and got him to 5 stars without really focusing on getting level up. Quite nice, I can rest now at his place. Then I went through the barren wasteland NW of him, to get the the weather station the story had me go. I avoided the BT's there, and was a bit surprised that I started seeing road build structures in spots that weren't connected to the cheap chiral network yet. I thought other players had to place those? Anyway, got to the weather station, guy there was way too hyper with his nicknames for Sam, and had a message for me that I had to bring blood to the distribution center near mountain knot city. This one had a time limit though as there was an accident at the distribution center. So I start running, think I passed an incinerator along the way which was interesting but didn't get to have a look because of the time limit. Then I got pushed into a very aggressive mule zone, which I avoided pretty much by hugging the wall like a mountain goat. Was quite surprised that I ended up in a big grass field and not the snow at that point. But I got the blood to the distribution center, and they had me take a bomb to mountain knot city to clear the tar pits. Walked all that, avoided more mules, planned my route through the mountains and finally snow, had some nice views.

Got blocked of doing anything there by Lorne though, so we go to mama as she's her sibling and might be able to solve the issue. Big snowstorm, get to mama, get a BT string cutter, pretty cool, emotional moment with mama and dead baby and then we load mama up to take her to Lorne. For some reason Higgs is waiting outside, spawns a big BT that we run away from. Still feel this feels more clumsy than scary but guess it was important we don't forget about Higgs. Get mama to Lorne and she just dies, being pretty much dead already the whole time. Good piece of story but felt like it wasn't told as well as Fragile's story. It ended a bit abrupt by resting in your room, Deadman coming in to tell BB (Lou?! Cute) is sick and needs realignment. Most of this is told in a pretty uncomfortable shower scene.

So now we do some missions without BB. When I go out Lorne calls me with a needless update but this feels like the end of mama's story. It just felt like it didn't flow that great with the Higgs scene interrupting, and then Deadman taking up all screentime.
First prepper I connected was easy, medicine man. Second one was in a bit more secluded place up in the mountains, and I thought it was gonna be trouble to get her connected. But nope, she (the robot girl) was apparently really looking forward to being able to be connected and see all the inventions of other people. They why are you staying up a mountain between BT's while there's a town right at the foot of that mountain!?

Anyway, that's where I'm at. I've hardly been able to pick up orders for the places that are easily reachable from where I am. Some are just too big and I don't have roads for trucks, or really care about gathering all materials for roads. I was hoping I'd get a bit more from other players. I do add everything I can to reach road structure I see though. Other orders are just too far out of the way and I don't care to do that either. The nice grass fields are filled with overly aggressive mules, and tbh I don't have BB right now so the possibility of encountering BT's is also keeping me back a bit.

I dunno, it's just that I'm a bit disappointed in the flow of Mama's story (think she's a great character), Deadman forcing himself into my room and shower and not really clicking with the orders currently available to me / spending a lot of time gathering materials for roads that has my mood about this game shifted a bit. I'm sure it'll pick up again soon, I still think it's amazing and I'm happy just going from place to place with my floating carrier. Robot girl also gave me a full body skeleton that should make Sam a bit more stable.

Long post, lot of ramble.

digi

Nine you will see other people's structures etc once the bunker person has joined the uca.
Some of need 1 star others need more.

You can also add me and bor1s to see ours once your connected.

Nina

You're both on PlayStation right? I'm on steam. I did have a look at the bridge link menu but didn't see any familiar names.

Tbh it's not the biggest deal, I think my imagination just thought more was gonna be possible, but a system like this does have a lot to think about when trying to create it and it's a complex thing with technical limitations as well as creative choices. I will just continue story for now, think one of the later chapters (8 maybe) is seen as a good one to go back and finish things up. So I might revisit some places then and see if other structures have been build etc.

I still think it's an incredible game.

b0r1s

Just came in to say it’s on my Steam wish list and I’ll get it when it’s on sale and guess what? It’s ok sale!

£20.99 is a bargain. But I’m so far through my second play through on PS5 that I’ll wait until next year to play on PC.

SpaceGazelle

Nina wrote:

Are you on PC Gazelle? I didn't get to play this weekend but I did make some progress since last post, and tbh I'm not sure where I'm at now with the game.

Spoiler:

I had to go to Mountain Knot City, while stopping at a few other places to get there. So I decided to first go to the craftsman, and got him to 5 stars without really focusing on getting level up. Quite nice, I can rest now at his place. Then I went through the barren wasteland NW of him, to get the the weather station the story had me go. I avoided the BT's there, and was a bit surprised that I started seeing road build structures in spots that weren't connected to the cheap chiral network yet. I thought other players had to place those? Anyway, got to the weather station, guy there was way too hyper with his nicknames for Sam, and had a message for me that I had to bring blood to the distribution center near mountain knot city. This one had a time limit though as there was an accident at the distribution center. So I start running, think I passed an incinerator along the way which was interesting but didn't get to have a look because of the time limit. Then I got pushed into a very aggressive mule zone, which I avoided pretty much by hugging the wall like a mountain goat. Was quite surprised that I ended up in a big grass field and not the snow at that point. But I got the blood to the distribution center, and they had me take a bomb to mountain knot city to clear the tar pits. Walked all that, avoided more mules, planned my route through the mountains and finally snow, had some nice views. Got blocked of doing anything there by Lorne though, so we go to mama as she's her sibling and might be able to solve the issue. Big snowstorm, get to mama, get a BT string cutter, pretty cool, emotional moment with mama and dead baby and then we load mama up to take her to Lorne. For some reason Higgs is waiting outside, spawns a big BT that we run away from. Still feel this feels more clumsy than scary but guess it was important we don't forget about Higgs. Get mama to Lorne and she just dies, being pretty much dead already the whole time. Good piece of story but felt like it wasn't told as well as Fragile's story. It ended a bit abrupt by resting in your room, Deadman coming in to tell BB (Lou?! Cute) is sick and needs realignment. Most of this is told in a pretty uncomfortable shower scene. So now we do some missions without BB. When I go out Lorne calls me with a needless update but this feels like the end of mama's story. It just felt like it didn't flow that great with the Higgs scene interrupting, and then Deadman taking up all screentime. First prepper I connected was easy, medicine man. Second one was in a bit more secluded place up in the mountains, and I thought it was gonna be trouble to get her connected. But nope, she (the robot girl) was apparently really looking forward to being able to be connected and see all the inventions of other people. They why are you staying up a mountain between BT's while there's a town right at the foot of that mountain!? Anyway, that's where I'm at. I've hardly been able to pick up orders for the places that are easily reachable from where I am. Some are just too big and I don't have roads for trucks, or really care about gathering all materials for roads. I was hoping I'd get a bit more from other players. I do add everything I can to reach road structure I see though. Other orders are just too far out of the way and I don't care to do that either. The nice grass fields are filled with overly aggressive mules, and tbh I don't have BB right now so the possibility of encountering BT's is also keeping me back a bit. I dunno, it's just that I'm a bit disappointed in the flow of Mama's story (think she's a great character), Deadman forcing himself into my room and shower and not really clicking with the orders currently available to me / spending a lot of time gathering materials for roads that has my mood about this game shifted a bit. I'm sure it'll pick up again soon, I still think it's amazing and I'm happy just going from place to place with my floating carrier. Robot girl also gave me a full body skeleton that should make Sam a bit more stable. Long post, lot of ramble.

Yes I'm on Steam - spacegazelle1. I'll play a little tonight and see what's what.

b0r1s

So I finished all the roads and the racetrack and no bloody trophy!

Nina

Hmm I didn't see anything by you SG, but I just have spacegazelle as a friend, no 1. Couldn't find a way to search in game and make a link.

Some spoilers:

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I got to the part where I have to cross the tar pit. So I've seen most of the left part of the map now. A few black spots still where I assume will be a prepper somewhere.

Decided to take a break from the story here (Heartman was good as a character, and Deadman in the War flashback was good as well). Fragile jumped back to the east side (first time I used the jump) and have been driving up and down and got the road done from Lake Knot City to South Knot City. Delivered pizza to Peter Engelbert, next pizza will be from the timefall farm so I took a delivery that had to go there anyway. Was a timed one. Decided to go by truck (I've been using carrier all the time but since I'm not doing story I don't mind using the truck. Prefer to explore new landscape by fit I) and it ran out of juice right at the bottom of some mountains just on the border of a mule camp. Ok fine, I'm grab just the boxes for the farm and attach them to the carrier. But the carrier got placed too close to the truck so I couldn't attach it to me as it would have me go inside the truck each time. So I wiggled and pushed a bit only to have the carrier snap to the top of the truck. Which was unmovable and still full of things for other orders and road building. So I ran to the farm. Can't fabricate vehicles. Luckily there was a save room nearby and someone left a truck there. Quickly go back, put everything from truck 1 into truck 2, disassemble truck 1 so my carrier falls down and I can load that onto my new truck as well and bring everything to farm. Quite stressful tbh.

As B couldn't remember if there was something special to get Peter on the network I decided to look it up as I'm at the third pizza delivery. As soon as I type in "death stranding Peter Engelbert" Google adds "is Higgs". So that seems a nice spoiler there, but I also assume that means I can't get him onto the network now anyway?

I think I only need the collector and Peter on the right side, and I feel like there's three unconnected spots on the left. Does anyone know if there's preppers with special requirements there? Or just find there station and take an order? Once I got this pizza done I'll go get the collector and then it's time to go west again, but this time with a truck full of materials to build roads. I'm gonna try and see if I can get all preppers.

Nina

Does anyone know roughly how long it'll take to finish when I'm (still) at the point where I

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I'm still making my way back to that spot on the map while building roads etc. But my mom and brother will be here next month and I hope to finish the game before they're here.

SpaceGazelle

Not too long really. Bit of a long last trek but you could it in maybe a few hours? Maybe 8 hrs tops?

Nina

Thanks, that seems very reasonable. I know it's cutscene heavy so I don't want to have a large gap between the last chapters when my mom's here.

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