I really wish I could share everyone's optimism for the new Matrix film but the more I see of those trailers, with some rather hapless looking actors being stand-ins for Morpheus and and Agent Smith...I mean are they serious about trying to replace Laurence Fishburne and Hugo Weaving with these absolute no marks?!

I mean fuck it wouldn't be so bad if they invented an entirely new antagonist and mentor figure, but taking the same characters and recasting them?... it looks so baaaaad.

The last trailer I saw depicted the new Smith doing that thing with his fleshy mouth to freak Neo out...
and bald black guy prancing around in a dojo again. Those appear to be the same characters again...but different iterations in the new matrix multiverse thing. They obviously couldn't get Weaving or Fishburn on board and so they've gone for this 'it's still them, but don't they look different now?!' thang. Looks pants.

I’m not really on board with Blocks usual ‘everything is shit’ mantra (sorry Blocks) but I am at least worried about the Weaving knock-off. He looks shit, quite honestly.

Lord_Griff wrote:

Fishbourne was pissed not to be asked, apparently.

Quite right too. I’m sorry, but I doubt whoever they got to replace him will fill his shoes.

Blocks100 wrote:

The last trailer I saw depicted the new Smith doing that thing with his fleshy mouth to freak Neo out...
and bald black guy prancing around in a dojo again. Those appear to be the same characters again...but different iterations in the new matrix multiverse thing. They obviously couldn't get Weaving or Fishburn on board and so they've gone for this 'it's still them, but don't they look different now?!' thang. Looks pants.

Tbf its a simulation, a computer program and within that program there are certain necessary components tgat need to be there. They dont need to look the same they just need to perform the same function to ensure the program works.

They also did the same thing with the Oracle in the original trilogy.

I guess they pressumed Fishburne to old for the part? Would've still been cool to see him return. On the other hand the director is doing the project without her sister (brother?) so who knows what's going on behind the scenes?

Hope the script is up to snuff, could go either way.

hunk wrote:

sister (brother?)

Sister.

Perhaps they both wanted to be the Woman in the Red Dress?

davyK wrote:

cosmicjellybean wrote:

Jurassic park bad?! Although, yeah I was like 7 when that came out so maybe it’s an age thing. I went to see that 3 times. Still watch it these days, along with lost world which I also really like. I wouldn’t watch with my 7 yo yet though weirdly.

Jurassic Park is a barnstormer of a film.

Jurassic Park is not a bad film. It is a perfect film. What is this.

Ah good, I was worried the Wachowski sisters had a fallout.
Also, I like JP but than again I'm easily entertained.

Thing is, everybody shat all over films 2 and 3 but I love them so I'll probably still find something in this to enjoy.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was meta - that Matrix Awakens thing was full of it.

Blocks100 wrote:

Meta is just another word for shit.

I watched Animatrix and Matrix 1 last night.

The animatrix still holds up. I don’t think there’s a duffer in there (I think it helps that they are so dense and short).

Of them, of course, second renaissance is the top tier one but it’s so funny how in canon the robots are just as capable of pure propaganda. All the robots are drawn so cute and sympathetically and the men evil. It’s pretty cool.

I also liked matriculated that one is horror.

Yeah really overall really cool.

Onto the first film then and I’m struck with a few things again.
1) the suit Thomas Anderson wears for his job is surprisingly nice and has the same yellow lining as the agents.
2) the kind of awful way the robots treat their sentient programs - agent smith is trapped in the matrix and fully aware of it. I’d never quite grasped how independent the programs in the matrix were from the machine system but here it is. I think it’s cool how they continue his trajectory.
3) the amount of jokes in the film is so good. You have your denouement chance sequence and you have watermelons popping and Smith popping up from a bag of groceries. The timing for the sprinkler is perfect but what you don’t realise is the whole purpose of that is to set up sexy water shots. In fact the only thing the bomb does is allow for the set up of sexy water shots.
4) the “meta” stuff that is in the matrix awakens starts from the end of this one where neo looks at the audience.
5) I love cypher all the way through this. He’s clearly a knob from second 1. There’s a scene where neo spooks up on him and he instinctively turns off his computer screens. So good.
6) I think this is a 15 film but it’s so nice to see a principle action film happy to show fighting rather than cut away at moments of impact. The marvel films are so shit for this. It’s a shame they’ve basically filled the void for action films now (that don’t involve American meat cars)
7) the whole of the oracle stuff is so good.