Yossarian wrote:

The Spartan Laser was good too, and now the volatile skewer, but none are particularly necessary additions to the game.

They are all a bit underwhelming.
The br and magnum are both in d2 too.

Chess if a duffer game imo. It’s only well regarded because it’s well regarded.

I also think Halo is better than Destiny so where does that leave us?

Unlikely wrote:

I also think Halo is better than Destiny so where does that leave us?

Wrong!

LivDiv wrote:

Both are far from perfect.

Correct.

Destiny better than Halo lol that’s a good one.

Wait, are you serious?

dynamiteReady wrote:

I've done a double take, because I can't understand why Street Fighter is not on that list!

One of the SF games deserves to be on any best of list but I'm not qualified to say which one. SF2T has probably brought pleasure to most out of that series?

One of the SFiv games maybe?

A barrier to perfection is its relative inaccessability. Spamming buttons is too tempting for casuals and gets boring.

digi wrote:

All critics you can look up agree that destiny (and 2) are better games than Halo.

Ah, so you agree with the critics.

Elite Beat Agents shouldn't be on the same line as Ouendan.

I think people are interpreting the question differently, some 'what is my favourite game' takes I think rather than 'what do I think is a game that achieves what it sets out to do perfectly and if you like that, it's perfect'. That's how I'm considering the question anyway. Granted a lot of crossover between both for most because that's just how people work.

Some great examples here that'd I'd agree with, particularly Trials and Geometry Wars (even if people do keep saying 'Geometry Wars 2' e.g. when that's the third at least Geometry Wars game I think (if they mean RE).

Anyway, for me as you'd have probably guessed, IIDX and it's sims are perfect. 99% maybe more of folks who play it past a certain amount / level play on random, which means every time you play it, it's different and you're sight reading, to a degree. I rarely play it anymore simply because I battered it over a period of about a decade, but what it sets out to do and what it delivers, is perfect and is still the absolute daddy of music games (with Ouendan probably second above whatever your GH is of choice in third, DDR losing out on the podium but getting a nod for keeping nerds fit for years).

IIDX though, what an absolute monster. Simple to understand, difficult to get into, no difficulty curve but a straight up difficulty brick wall, right from the easiest song. No one passes even the easiest song on their first go. They fail. And fail hard. This happens repeatedly. Most give up because what masochist would continue? But, those of us into kink keep cracking at it, and all of a sudden, something happens... something clicks... and when that moment happens, you just want more. Then you put random on and all your favourite songs challenge you to a unique experience every time you play them. Love it. Must get back to it. It's also probably the highest skill ceiling game I can think of, with ease. It took me a year or so to clear the hardest stuff in GH3. I've played IIDX for nearly 15 years and accept I will never, ever clear the hardest stuff, I won't even clear several tiers down. It's a lifelong challenge that will never end. And it's so simple - white and blue blocks falling down. That's it. Simplicity. And it started the whole genre. Amazing game.

Tetris is perfect but playing older versions is annoying now because of the sticky controls. The control and rotation scheme was improved. So when did it become perfect?

Tetris effect is in my view the perfect Tetris game.

Snake on a 3210.

digi wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

Why do you keep talking to me like I don’t know what Destiny is?

Is it my tone?

All critics you can look up agree that destiny (and 2) are better games than Halo.

Modern Halo is nowhere near as good as the current build of Destiny 2, which has surpassed modern Halo. It's not necessarily fair to compare Destiny 2 to much older Halo games, which are 20-years-old, but Destiny 2 has superior lore, cinematics, story, gameplay, and multiplayer than Halo

I mean you personally are never gonna agree because of your love of Halo, but secretly you know I'm right.
(I also think ce is better than Infinite and Halo 3 is the best of the series)
None of them match up to that first vog or kingsfall from d1 especially.

I mean fucking lol at d1 or d2 campaigns being close to the best of halo. That is patently ridiculous. I know I put over 500 hrs into d1 and I'd guess close to the same in d2 across Xbox and pc, and campaign structure and moments in halo shit all over the destinies. I can't believe it's even up for discussion.

As far as moment to moment mechanics and weapon sets I'd rate first trilogy halo over destiny. Yes it's a purity thing.

The destinies are great, and you could hunt out particular weapons/weapon types that are awesome, but reckon it's telling that most of them, for me, become hunting for the halo feeling. (what up sidearms, what up that red/crimson battle rifle thing who's name eludes me.)

hylian_elf wrote:

Snake on my 6150 was better.

Surround on the 2600 is a 2p battle version. Was a launch game.

There's an indie XBL game called Snake Party which is the genre pinnacle.