Tempy wrote:I don't buy this because of how film works. You don't show superfluous stuff. Nor do you cram in last minute exposition if you're building to a 'debateable' ending. As Reg as said, if he is just dreaming it, why not cut when Caine smiles? He shows you Wayne and Selina because they are there. If he ever comes out and says otherwise then he needs to go fuck himself because he pisses on all sorts of logic to make a dumb point.three1ne wrote:No doubt in my mind either that it was real although how Nolan set it up does indeed open it up to suggestion. We first see Alfred's dream/hope that when on Holiday he'll see Wayne on another table. And at the end of the film, we see the exact same location and shot. All that Nolan is saying is that Alfred's wish came true although it could (wrongly) be perceived as Alfred still dreaming/wishing.
three1ne wrote:Tempy wrote:I don't buy this because of how film works. You don't show superfluous stuff. Nor do you cram in last minute exposition if you're building to a 'debateable' ending. As Reg as said, if he is just dreaming it, why not cut when Caine smiles? He shows you Wayne and Selina because they are there. If he ever comes out and says otherwise then he needs to go fuck himself because he pisses on all sorts of logic to make a dumb point.three1ne wrote:No doubt in my mind either that it was real although how Nolan set it up does indeed open it up to suggestion. We first see Alfred's dream/hope that when on Holiday he'll see Wayne on another table. And at the end of the film, we see the exact same location and shot. All that Nolan is saying is that Alfred's wish came true although it could (wrongly) be perceived as Alfred still dreaming/wishing.
Have you misinterpreted what I said? I am 100% for it being a 'real' ending. All I was saying is that - how the ending references the earlier scene of Alfred's dream/wish makes the ending play out dream like. To me I just see it as an erroneous piece of storytelling.
Spock wrote:Took my 13 year old Tom boy niece to see this today. It's better the second time around. Still a bit flabby but enjoyable.
Kow wrote:I think so highly of Nolan that I'm tempted to blame not being blown away by the film on myself. Maybe I missed something.
Spock wrote:It's a film a bout costumed crime fighting heroes. Why is everyone judging it against "The Remains of the  fisting Day"? Im sure star wars, lord of the rings and all the other stuff have massive gaping holes. Did you enjoy it? Did it move you? Did you allow it to move you? It's a film. Titties.
Never forget a film that people reviewed poorly because they didn't get that its tongue was firmly in its cheek, going for the same feel as the Adam West era Batman?regmcfly wrote:Also never forget
regmcfly wrote:Sas is this what you're saying
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