djchump wrote:]
It’s tomorrow now.
Just sayin’
You and your Relativism!Facewon wrote:Nah, he's in Oz with me, remember. So timeline is morning for earlier responses and now it's late arvo. (and Jr has a normal job, I believe, so he's been at work. I have Fridays off, so I've been chillin.)djchump wrote:It’s tomorrow now. Just sayin’
JRPC wrote:You'd have to be a masochist to try and engage with dj or legaldinho, but I got the sense with you there was at least an actual desire to discuss something.
I'm now thinking that maybe I've misjudged that.
JRPC wrote:SpaceGazelle wrote:Stuff Harris is right about imo:
Religion being rubbish and A.I being scary.
He seems perversely upset with Islam to the point of sounding like a cunt, which basically makes him a cunt. You can't pick on one more than the others for being worse. That's yer basic racism right there, with no regard for history, poverty, common sense and the awfulness of the Christian cunts that fucked everything up in the first place.
You absolutely can.
Religion is just a set of ideas and the harmfulness of each religion can be traced back to the specific doctrines of each.
Compare Jainism and Catholicism for example.
Fyi Harris has written an entire book criticising Christianity. He hasn't about Islam.
Facewon wrote:I begin to sense a pattern
Ophelia Benson on Omer Aziz and Sam Harris. She is the queen of the quote and response and lays this out nicely. Socrates is mentioned, fair warning.
Just staggering from Harris. 4 hour Pod, where he goes through a 2800 piece from Aziz and dissects line by line. And Harris decides not to release it.
I mean, it's literally in the post I wrote.JRPC wrote:@jon You think the question "do you think that the ideal is to look at these things without bias" doesn't have a yes/no answer?
Others have gone to the trouble of explaining why. Engage with them.JonB wrote:The question was flawed - it didn't have a simple yes/no answer.
JRPC wrote:So this is fairly key and I think the main point of confusion here on B&B.
Harris' claim is that the controversy around the Bell Curve was not at all a good-faith criticism or debate about complicated multifactorial science, but was actually witch hunt and absolutely a piece with that neanderthal hypothetical.
Despite Murray's conclusion in the chapter that dealt with race and IQ being that he remained agnostic about the degree genes play a role, Harris' view (which I've been now persuaded of) is that Murray is the victim of a 20 year campaign of smearing and vilification that goes Infinity beyond honest good-faith scientific criticism.
Harris had Murray on his podcast to discuss the consequences of free and open speech around charged issues like this, and not actually to really discuss the science of race and IQ in of itself. Since then, for daring to have had this conversation, Harris has himslef become embroiled in the controversy and tarred with the same racist brush by the likes of Klein and Vox (and most people here).
JRPC wrote:Facewon wrote:I begin to sense a pattern
Ophelia Benson on Omer Aziz and Sam Harris. She is the queen of the quote and response and lays this out nicely. Socrates is mentioned, fair warning.
Just staggering from Harris. 4 hour Pod, where he goes through a 2800 piece from Aziz and dissects line by line. And Harris decides not to release it.
I take it that you haven't listened then?
Please please do. It's a great one.
JRPC wrote:IQ tests are standardised.
JRPC wrote:I think that it only has a yes or no answer.
Food for everyone is attainable though.acemuzzy wrote:I'm willing to say that an absence of bias sounds great as an ideal. It's just unattainable, so not hugely helpful. The end of disease sounds great too, and food for everyone please.
JRPC wrote:I think that it only has a yes or no answer.
Facewon wrote:So he decided to release it? No, I haven't listened. I only came across the above just before posting it. You can't see the issue with how he went about the exchange? You don't see a pattern?I take it that you haven't listened then? Please please do. It's a great one.I begin to sense a pattern Ophelia Benson on Omer Aziz and Sam Harris. She is the queen of the quote and response and lays this out nicely. Socrates is mentioned, fair warning. Just staggering from Harris. 4 hour Pod, where he goes through a 2800 piece from Aziz and dissects line by line. And Harris decides not to release it.
JRPC wrote:If you do ever get around to it, read that article again and let me know your thoughts.
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