Funkstain wrote:Gremill wrote:Thats an incredibly simplified way of describing how healthcare provision and commissioning works in this country. So simple as to be laughable, actually. On the issue of homeopathy, I personally don't think its a big ticket issue that people should use as logic to not vote Green. However at the same time it makes me wonder whether a party that believes it should be available on the NHS is fit to be in a position to decide the future of healthcare.Funkstain wrote:I forgot my point about your girlfriend the nurse. Perhaps she would object more to homeopathy being offered to idiots on the NHS than, say, massively underfunded hospital trusts, supervised by super-salaried politically-savvy bureaucrats with no clinical experience, being replaced with private companies who will sack her (under private employer rules, rather more lax than public in my experience) as soon as she can be replaced with a cheaper, under-trained resource?
Well, quite - my point was (not successfully?) trying to show that over simplifying stuff (hey y u support green they like homeopathy lol) is not helpful.
But it would be good to understand more about hospital administration and the advent of privatised service provision in the NHS. The reaction tends to be "too many managers" and "complete no to all privatisation" but clearly an organisation the size of the NHS needs to have significant administration (which requires managers) and according to some of my NHS friends privatisation has been beneficial in some cases. Care to expand? As an NHS worker, which party's manifesto scares you? Do the Greens tend to (as Elm says about Defence) over simplify their policy approach to the NHS, do they have any experts in the field?
Funkstain wrote:As an NHS worker, which party's manifesto scares you? Do the Greens tend to (as Elm says about Defence) over simplify their policy approach to the NHS, do they have any experts in the field?
n0face wrote:UKIP abolishing the tampon tax.
Funkstain wrote:That's the good shit. Thanks gents. Now to get Stoph and Tiger to do the same for state education.
Stopharage wrote:The Greens - Policies 6/10, Reality of being able to adopt the policies 2/10
- Introduce smaller class sizes – no more than 20 students per class (no idea how on earth they'd pay for this. Pretty monumental cost, for my school alone that would add £1m to the wage bill)
-Bring Academies and Free Schools into the Local Authority system. (Would prefer this as the current system lacks enough rigorous monitoring amongst a host of other reasons)
-Scrap university tuition fees. (again, no idea how they'd pay for that. Sounds great, but.)
Through tax. Income tax will be raised on the highest earners above 40% for example. NI would be abolished and merged into income tax.There is a wealth tax, Capital Gains, Inheritence and Corporation tax reforms too.
-Abolish SATS, League Tables and Ofsted and replace them with the evaluation of schools by parents, teachers and the locally community. (Absolutely bonkers. How can you expect untrained parents to judge schools? Wouldn't trust teachers to evaluate competently enough, plus it would be open to huge manipulation.)
That's not quite the policy as I understand it.
ED057 Where pupils’ attainment and progress is reported as part of a school’s holistic report to parents and the wider community it will include assessments, including value-added, moderated by the National Council of Education Excellence and the Local Authority’s School Improvement Service as well as the school’s own self evaluation.
ED056 The Green Party will instate a system of local accountability using continuous, collaborative assessment of schools. We would replace OFSTED with an independent National Council of Educational Excellence which would have regional officers tasked to work closely with Local Authorities. The National Council would be closely affiliated with the National Federation for Educational Research (NFER).
So OFSTED would be replaced by erm, OFSTED with another name.
I don't think parents, teachers and the local community have quite the power you envisage.
-Extend free nutritious lunches to all children. (Sounds lovely, how are they going to pay for it?)
No idea, but it benefits students. It was also done in Hull for three years.
-Restore the Educational Maintenance Allowance for 16 and 17 year olds. (Great idea, but Pupil Premium has fulfilled some of its role)
I couldn't actually find this, so I googled, and all I can find is statements from Caroline Lucas in 2010 and 11, and an Early Day Motion in 2013 to restore it. So I'm not sure how much that is actual policy going forward.
Funkstain wrote:In short he's a lazy arsehole although this is not a big enough deal for me to put off voting for him (if he were in my constituency).
Funkstain wrote:I mean I like to think there are ideological differences rather than shadowy people actively trying to ruin public health and education, but perhaps I'm naive.
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