Notice how it's only 'about' 15 words. Their 'back of a fag packet' calculations for how they should communicate with the electorate won't wash and will send Britain spiralling back to the dark days of the financial crash somehow.LarryDavid wrote:"Red Ed's commie bullet points (notice how they're red, a subtle clue if ever there was one) will tear this country to shreds and threaten our hard-fought for punctuation recovery."
Funkstain wrote:I have no doubt about that at all, and I'm no conspiracy theorist. What I want to know is whether anyone can shed some light on exactly why they would want to achieve these goals. By which I mean, if we assume that they have put real thought into how healthcare and education can be well provided, how did they come to the conclusions they have? Or is it mere market ideology, an assumption that private companies will naturally provide more efficient services? This seems almost child-like in terms of complexity, like "this is what my Mum told me so it must be right" with no need to refer to history, contemporary examples of the results of these policies, research etc. Is this really what we're fighting against, an army of unreasoning child-people who believe unflinchingly in a basic economic ideology? How can you even argue with children?
GooberTheHat wrote:I don't think they care about providing a "good" service. If you want a good service you can work hard and pay for it yourself.
Funkstain wrote:What I would ask is: for those policies that seem insane to them, can you think of any justifications (beyond the usual tribal political ones)? I mean I like to think there are ideological differences rather than shadowy people actively trying to ruin public health and education, but perhaps I'm naive.
mistercrayon wrote:anyone who has parents paying for education has precisely zero footing for making statements on deserving of anything.
Agreed, it just baffles me how people can be so incompetent.
Gremill wrote:mistercrayon wrote:anyone who has parents paying for education has precisely zero footing for making statements on deserving of anything.
Well, precisely, but it's never stopped their like from doing it.
handsofblue wrote:Well that's a just a bit of a broad statement. Many people like to turn their noses up at kids who benefitted from private education. My parents paid for mine. They continued to do so through university. I worked alongside them for many years of my education. When I was young, my parents thought the best education locally was through a private school. They worked fucking hard to earn enough income to out two kids through their primary and secondary education there. And we're not talking bankers or directors of anything, just two people working most of the hours a day gives them to keep a takeaway going. Not all private schools are Eton but it all gets lumped in for the sake of a convenient target of hate. By all means, hate the Tories for their warped views on how to run the country but don't tar us all with the same brush.Gremill wrote:Well, precisely, but it's never stopped their like from doing it.mistercrayon wrote:anyone who has parents paying for education has precisely zero footing for making statements on deserving of anything.
GooberTheHat wrote:What about the learning environment and the desire/drive of the pupils in one compared to the other?
GooberTheHat wrote:Cheers reg.
Gremill wrote:@handsofblue: Apologies if that's what it read like (I realise that it was what it read like) but my sentiment was the same as crayons.
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