The last line there is key I feel. TLJ seems to have repainted TFA as unanimously loved. Also I wouldn’t consider myself thick and I still liked TLJ. I think it was a film for a certain type of person.

And heck, people are still talking about it.

I dunno, you're probably right though Temps. I think this is by far the egregious case I can remember since Avatar, but like I said I don't get out much and I'm not a film buff. Am I wrong to expect the most expensive films ever made to at least be competently put together though? 

I'm kind of annoyed that TLJ still irks me so much to this day tbh.

I do think that there may have been a decline in storytelling at the expense of visual effects, particularly in big budget films over the years and that nowadays maybe people just accept it as a thing. Which is fine really, to each their own. But I have neither the time nor the credentials or experience to go and watch a load of films and really dig into what they're doing, also that's not saying that older films were perfect in the past either, but perhaps that we have come down a notch or two over the years, however at the same time, the budgets on modern blockbusters are still beyond the budgets of older movies even accounting for inflation I would imagine. 

It just sucks that all this development in making visually appealing worlds, or convincing virtual effects that pass as practical and there doesn't seem to have been the same care or time paid to the storytelling, in big movies at least. 

If anyone feels like my previous post was having a pop at them, it wasn't, just the internet reaction at large to TLJ. I loved TFA for what it's worth, even though it was the JJ Abrhams Star Trek of Star Wars, I think it's the best in the series after Empire. 

Basically I'm saying that it's xmas and at some point Babe is going to be on TV and Babe is a film about a pig that lives on a farm and overcomes his differences and obstacles and the mocking from of his peers to achieve his little piggy dream. I feel more for Babe the pig who lives on a farm and herds sheep than I do for every single member of the cast of TLJ with the exception of Kylo Ren and now I want a Kylo x Babe crossover of some kind. Netflix commision any old shite these days I should probably email them, or find an aspiring web comic guy to draw it for below minimum wage, maybe even a competent fanfic person out there would do it for the bants?

Imagine, Kylo Ren, hurt, broken, confused. Babe, a little piglet with great hair, and a lot of piggy courage and the will to overcome his challenges no matter what. The two cross paths somewhere, maybe a space sheep herding contest, and Kylo Ren sees the little piggy not letting anything get him down even though it's hard cos he's an orphan piggy, just like Kylo is. Kylo takes Babe under his wing to save him from an evil space butcher shop window or something because the international space sheep dog federation think Babe is making a mockery of their srs bsnss. At first Kylo swears he will crush the international space sheep dog federation for their insolence and their intolerance of Babe, just because he isn't like the other jedi kids, er I mean pigs, but over the course of their adventures, his world view is changed by Babe's much more gentle outlook, live and let live, don't listen to the others Kylo, you don't have to be like your granddad to be a successful guy or get respect. In the end, they settle down on a small moon somewhere and open a sweet ass farm that quickly becomes the talk of the local star system. Babe spends his days herding space sheep in exhibitions that draw crowds from all over, and Kylo Ren becomes a renowned literary figure and artist, writing touching poetry about his time on the moon with his four legged friend and all that he learned and also a great artist whose paintings wow audiences with their vivid contrasting depictions of sleepy farm life in the shadow of a tumultuous fury from his past. 

The end. 

I love you Babe the pig (and Kylo Ren).

That’s the thing though Rouj no mater how many times people rag on it, I can’t help but see TLJ as a smartly put together film that understands how to tell an interesting that is utterly failed by the universe it’s telling its story in.

Except for Canto Bight being a bit saggy, it’s hard to forgive that. But I still love the fact they miss their codebreaker and get a snake instead.

And now I have to go and lug alcohol around a pub for 6 hours. Laters haters!

I really liked TLJ.

It's on Netflix if that helps. (Iirc)

I don’t mean it’s a slog to watch, at all.

bad_hair_day wrote:

Temps lost me when he called the battle on Hoth a slog.

It is a slog, it goes on for a long time and it's trench warfare and tank battles but given a sci-fi twist. 

It's a far cry from the space dog fighting of ANH and is a departure from the viewer expects when they watch it for the first time.

Edit: Too slow. I should not have started watching Babe before I started typing this post.

Roujin wrote:

It is a slog, it goes on for a long time and it's trench warfare and tank battles but given a sci-fi twist. 

Yeah, I remember looking at my watch thinking FFS get on with the muppet show.

And the ANH dogfights aren’t re-skinned WW2 plane battles given a sci-fi twerk?

Edit: Woah, two large Margarita’s and I’m getting feisty. Time to cool it, compliments of the season bro.

monkey wrote:

Tempy wrote:

The last line there is key I feel. TLJ seems to have repainted TFA as unanimously loved. Also I wouldn’t consider myself thick and I still liked TLJ. I think it was a film for a certain type of person.

And heck, people are still talking about it.

I don’t really stand by that insulting to the intelligence thing. No offence intended. There are plot holes etc but the faults of the movie are a world away from the sort of crap you get with some lazy cash grab flick. TLJ wasn’t lazy or anything.

I didn’t think you meant any!

You star wars men are very serious men

I like green ranger but pink ranger is hot.

Dark Soldier wrote:

You star wars men are very serious men

you know me DS, i’ll talk about pop culture anywhere but where it’ll get me paid

Roujin wrote:

(in a film that is set up to sell porg lunchboxes to kids)

You said it. So why give it a moment's thought? A new Star Wars film is going to be fun and forgettable, or not fun and forgettable. Either way it's forgettable. It's full of plot holes? So was the one before. You're not supposed to think about it. It's a dumb waay to pass a couple of hours. And if you'd seen the original films first as an adult they'd be the same too. We were kids when we watched those - that's why they were so amazing. It's never coming back.

We’ve been watching crap Hallmark-style Christmas movies. One of them today had Linda Hamilton as the star / main love interest. It was 100% wholesome and twee but I still kept expecting her to rip off the twinset cardigan and go on an ass-kicking spree, because Linda Hamilton. It was bizarre.