Diluted Dante wrote:

Why hasn't Russia and others done that?

China has.

Edit: or something not far off it.

Yossarian wrote:

cockbeard wrote:

I was having an argument with a mate on facebook about this IMO it's not difficult to police a VPN, you simply refuse encrypted traffic unless it's travelling to specific IP addresses where the owners have shared the key with you

Good luck getting, say, Apple to share their keys with you, and I can't see the government blocking access to Apple services, partially due to concerns around public opinion.

I'm talking technically not politically

Although at what point did you suddenly start thinking the government gave a fuck about public opinion. They'll start worrying about in January 2020, gives them a few months to get everyone onside before the next vote

Apple will strongly resist though, and that will be a PR battle the Government won't win. I actually think Apple would be willing to pull their products from the UK rather than comply.

Apple already won this battle in the US. They’ll gladly fight it again here.

cockbeard wrote:

I was having an argument with a mate on facebook about this IMO it's not difficult to police a VPN, you simply refuse encrypted traffic unless it's travelling to specific IP addresses where the owners have shared the key with you

Lad this is ludicrous- for one there's too much encrypted traffic, just to regular sites, facebooks, twitters, /et al./ let alone dealing with everything else, you're asking individual (on top of) agencies to keep a tab on on not only the whole DNS infrastructure but then apply a firewall to it. Westerners, if your idealism is applied here, will find themselves locked out of a lot of stuff, etsy, personal blogs, let's encrypt adopters, hilarity with content delivery networks, hilarity all round with dynamic IPs and cloud hosted websites, yes sir, sounds good.

Then and again- look at the country- we're all suckers we won't kick off about anything worth kicking off about- someone knick me a bag of rice, ta

Funnily enough that's why elm used to use it when dropping things on people

However within the realms of the act (top level browsing history) it doesn't count

I probably need to come back, the headline bit I read were forcing isp to hold top level history, which a tor browser would fix, assuming you had a decent speed proxy. However I was mainly talking about the next logical step for any entity wanting full access, which the simplest way would be to criss check encrypted packets against a database of keys, no match, reject packet, it goes back to previous hop and doesn't get in

If as you state they wish to be able to decrypt anything incoming, and there only five datacentres (two are for redundancy so three really) serving every page read in this country, then it wouldn't be scarily hard to implement. I decided that the only real way around was to grab a satellite and some server abroad and bypass the lot, but that's a lot if effort

Sorry I can't be arsed. Go sign the petition. Alternatively if mod wants to come out from hiding and tell us if we've got nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about I'll most certainly engage without being questioned directly on this matter.

1984 being issued a Dewey number as we speak

I take it they really want that runway, then?

I see, cheers.  Well Tory out and Lib Dem in has to be good news, eh?

There goes any chance of am early GE

Corbyn still unelectable though, right?

Not could be, definately is. They should never have stood in the first place.

I've said for a while that Lib Dems will recover, and most of their recovery will come from Tory seats they took from Lib Dems last time. And I think it will be enough to take out the Tory majority.

So the question then becomes what happens to Labour?

Surely it doesn't matter what happens to Labour, the sooner we lose the bipartite bullshit the better. It's not as if Labour are doing anything fundamentally different to the Tories threes days

Country needs a proper opposition, not one that will garner any votes, but one that can shout loud enough that people start to believe public mood had shifted