Funkstain wrote:

It’s just ... dumb. It’s not like it’s some principled stand on something she believes in, like Corbyn’s “we need to talk to terrorists to disarm them” thing that some of us can get behind. It’s just an actress talking shit about Israel (even if true!) so there’s just no need to “endorse” any of it. It’s just dumb

Do you think that was what she was endorsing, or perhaps was it the bit that talked about Labour?

I'm 100% sure that she 

a) doesn't think there is anything antisemitic in that article
b) is pleased that someone was using a relatively large platform to praise Corbyn
c) used that same platform to mildly dunk on Starmer
d) certainly didn't expect to get sacked over it

I'm 100% sure that I

a) don't really think there's anything antisemitic in that article
b) think that she was dumb to retweet it
c) think she should have exercised better political judgment and suffered for it
d) Wish Starmer had more balls but understand it as a pragmatic decision

To get into power, Labour need probably 3 or 4 of these fine gentlemen to vote for them. 


How do you do that against the Tories? 

Blair - did it but sold the party's soul in the process.
Brown - couldn't do it. In fairness, was pitted against David Cameron who is a natural pink man. 
Miliband - barely realised he had to
Corbyn - denied that he had to appeal to this bunch and thought the problem would magically solve itself. 
Starmer - ???? I dunno but it seems to be don't give the Tories a single thing they can use to drive a wedge between you and the pink men above. Don't end up in an interview trying to defend someone in your shadow cabinet from some fresh accusation of trumped up anti-semitic bullshit. Don't fall into any of the obvious traps that Jeremy Corbyn walked blindly into because if someone's laid a giant fucking trap in your path, well that's the way you were going anyway and it would be unprincipled to change path. All this stuff is just noise. We're miles away from an election. Starmer can define himself when he wants. It's better to be weak sauce now and come out stronger when he needs to. Instead of being hectored into it to please you pricks who will never be satisfied anyway. The only actual test will be the manifesto they produce. IF he manages to stay the right side of the above voters, that manifesto will get a better hearing than anything Beardo came out with. In all likelihood, the manifesto is a test he's going to fail. It won't have the wholesale change this country needs, and won't go far enough on climate change. But who knows, the whole country / world could be utterly fucked by then. 

I don't think he's put a foot wrong. No one senior in Labour is getting into any of this pathetic social network crap after today. Leave that stuff to the Tories. Rise above it. RLB didn't deserve to be sacked but who gives a fuck.

I thought I was pretty clear in accusing Peake of mild dog whistling?

You can take any sort of victory you like out of this. I maintain she was dumb. She has literally thousands of people desperately following everything she does with the aim of

1) disparaging and undermining her
2) disparaging and undermining labour and Starmer by extension and through implied infighting and factionalism

It’s a time to be super careful about what you say and endorse she wasn’t and paid the price

Funkstain wrote:

I thought I was pretty clear in accusing Peake of mild dog whistling?

I thought you had walked that back given subsequent posts.

I think Gonz might be right that its better for the British left to forget Israel exists and never mention them ever again since any mention of the state ends up with this horseshit.

Its morally abhorrent, but if the calculation is you can't do much about Israel, but you stand a better chance of winning elections here I can see the appeal.

Diluted Dante wrote:

Funkstain wrote:

I thought I was pretty clear in accusing Peake of mild dog whistling?

I thought you had walked that back given subsequent posts. I think Gonz might be right that its better for the British left to forget Israel exists and never mention them ever again since any mention of the state ends up with this horseshit. Its morally abhorrent, but if the calculation is you can't do much about Israel, but you stand a better chance of winning elections here I can see the appeal.

Pretty much.
Unfortunately they have done a number on Labour over this anti-semitism thing and the plight of Palestine may have to wait until Labour can get into power. Or at least further down the line when the rags drop the Tories seeing a new gov on the horizon.

It is terrible that it has come to it but it is the current reality we find ourselves in.

This isn't really even about the intention in the article, or RLB's reading of it. It was an inevitable test of Starmer's anti-semitism stance and anything short of a sacking would have seen him dragged over the coals and tarred with the same shit that Corbyn got, which he would have spent the next few years trying to shake off. The fact it happened to be the most senior positioned Momentum member was just the icing on the cake.
I bet in between her tweet and her sacking Daily Mail articles and opinions were already being written.

Diluted Dante wrote:

Funkstain wrote:

I thought I was pretty clear in accusing Peake of mild dog whistling?

I thought you had walked that back given subsequent posts. I think Gonz might be right that its better for the British left to forget Israel exists and never mention them ever again since any mention of the state ends up with this horseshit. Its morally abhorrent, but if the calculation is you can't do much about Israel, but you stand a better chance of winning elections here I can see the appeal.

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Minneapolis and various other US PDs received training from the IDF, usually through the police unions. Israeli human rights groups have repeatedly highlighted the IDF's brutality towards Palestinians in occupied Palestine, including (inter alia), by using knee-to-neck restraints. This is highly relevant to the discussion of the US BLM protests. Obama's reforms failed because the unions were able to continue the aggressive them-and-us training approaches. A major theme of that is the treatment by the police of the public as a hostile entity, as opposed to fellow citizens whom they serve. What better exemplar of that is there than PDs being trained by an occupying army. Now please explain to me, how someone pointing this out is "dog whistling" or - worse- as the guardian put it, peddling conspiracy theory. It is a fact. When conducting a debate about the militarisation of the US PDs, are we now to airbrush out any mention of the IDF? Or of Israel? You cannot mention Israel at all if it it is a pejorative mention - that's antisemitism. Anyone who supports this point of view is spineless and cannot have my support. I know mOnkey is gonna bang on about how we need to accept Mussolini to avoid Hitler, but I don't care. I prefer honesty. We've been there before. Anyway, I told you all about Starmer, didn't I. Don't say you weren't warned

Pennies dropping all over the shop.

Monkey apparantly already arrived at throwing Palastinians under the bus.

Well his office could have drafted a different tweet for her clarification for one.

Diluted Dante wrote:

Monkey apparantly already arrived at throwing Palastinians under the bus.

Yes I’ve understood the unfortunate situation for a long time now. Pleased you’ve made it.

He doesn't want unity, he wants to re-label blairism. The man has no ideas. The people around him are the same
Just same as before, smaller dildo - easier on the eye as well. It's pink and cute, now bend over.

He wants the same unity Corbyn wanted. For everyone who disagrees to shut up. That’s the only unity any of them ever want.

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

He doesn't want unity, he wants to re-label blairism. The man has no ideas. The people around him are the same
Just same as before, smaller dildo - easier on the eye as well. It's pink and cute, now bend over.

Argh my secret kink exposed

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israelis-training-us-police-on-large-scale-amnesty/ar-BB14S1z9

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-us-police-training-end-knee-neck-protests

Since his death in late May, footage of Floyd pleading: "I can't breathe" and "they're going to kill me," has emerged alongside videos and stills of Israeli security forces taking similar positions over the necks of unarmed Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and besieged Gaza Strip.

The Israeli police force has tried to distance itself from any perceived similarities, issuing statements denouncing what happened and stating that its officers are not trained to use knee-to-neck techniques. 
But photographs taken as recently as March have shown Israeli forces using the same restraint on unarmed protesters just yards from the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem's Old City.

The damning imagery has revived complaints against US programmes that send American police officers to train under Israeli law enforcement and military officials, as nationwide calls for defunding and abolishing American police departments have taken hold.

More debate, less sacking over silly retweets pls.