Brexit: Boris' Big Belgian Bangers - The Bear and Badger

SpaceGazelle

May seems to be adopting the classic British tack of just repeating the same thing to the johnny foreigners until they understand. Maybe she'll start miming.

"WE *points to self* NO BACKSTOP *points at tourist map of Ireland and shakes finger*. YOU CHANGEZ DEALOS, COMPRENDEZ??"

RedDave2

SpaceGazelle wrote:

May seems to be adopting the classic British tack of just repeating the same thing to the johnny foreigners until they understand. Maybe she'll start miming.

"WE *points to self* NO BACKSTOP *points at tourist map of Ireland and shakes finger*. YOU CHANGEZ DEALOS, COMPRENDEZ??"

Take a bow son, take a bow.

Yossarian

Dark Soldier wrote:

so its gonna be no deal then told yas, touch me

I currently reckon that the most likely outcome is enough Labour Brexiters and ERG members come together to approve May’s deal.

SpaceGazelle

Have you downgraded from a cert to a "currently reckon"? *grabs paper bag*

Yossarian

My certainty around avoiding no deal hasn’t shifted, my currently reckon is the most likely way I see that happening.

SpaceGazelle

You're certain you currently reckon?

SpaceGazelle

It's going to be a no deal and we're all going to die aren't we?

GooberTheHat

I refer you to the OP.

SpaceGazelle

I can smell burning.

Yossarian

SpaceGazelle wrote:

You're certain you currently reckon?

As in, there are a few different ways we could avoid no deal and I’m certain that we’ll choose one of them. At the moment, the one I currently reckon is most likely to be chosen is that one.

SpaceGazelle

FIRE!!!!!!!!!

monkey

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Dante, go find monkeys posts on momentum deselection fears, now. That's an order from your Kommissar

July 2016

monkey wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

You know that will happen even with Owen Smith in charge right? Unless there is another election before the boundary changes are made anyway.

I don't know when these changes are going to come in but if Corbyn wins, I'm sure there'll be another election later this year or early next year. Deselection, as I understand it, is decided by the NEC. They can't stop it happening but they can decide the timetables, weighting of the votes and a load of other stuff to make it easier or much harder to push a deselection through. This is a threat by Corbyn, clear and simple. Get behind me or you'll be at risk. Some people might like that he's saying this obviously. I'm sort of neutral, because if Corbyn wins, then something has to happen to either force a split or force cohesion.

monkey wrote:

There's a balancing act as they are representing their party, but MPs should be there to do more than act in complete subservience to a majority of their party's members in any given constituency. They've got the people that voted for them to think about, the people that didn't vote for them, and their own opinions to all tie up. Like I said, I'm neutral but there's zero chance that Corbyn would pushing for this if he thought it would harm his own prospects.

Diluted Dante

Here you go.

monkey wrote:

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Dante, go find monkeys posts on momentum deselection fears, now. That's an order from your Kommissar

July 2016

monkey wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

You know that will happen even with Owen Smith in charge right? Unless there is another election before the boundary changes are made anyway.

I don't know when these changes are going to come in but if Corbyn wins, I'm sure there'll be another election later this year or early next year. Deselection, as I understand it, is decided by the NEC. They can't stop it happening but they can decide the timetables, weighting of the votes and a load of other stuff to make it easier or much harder to push a deselection through. This is a threat by Corbyn, clear and simple. Get behind me or you'll be at risk. Some people might like that he's saying this obviously. I'm sort of neutral, because if Corbyn wins, then something has to happen to either force a split or force cohesion.

monkey wrote:

There's a balancing act as they are representing their party, but MPs should be there to do more than act in complete subservience to a majority of their party's members in any given constituency. They've got the people that voted for them to think about, the people that didn't vote for them, and their own opinions to all tie up. Like I said, I'm neutral but there's zero chance that Corbyn would pushing for this if he thought it would harm his own prospects.

Diluted Dante

Brexit deal may not be put to MPs until late March, officials say

I mean sure, we haven't written legislation that makes us leave in late March.

monkey

Diluted Dante wrote:

Here you go.

monkey wrote:

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Dante, go find monkeys posts on momentum deselection fears, now. That's an order from your Kommissar

July 2016

monkey wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

You know that will happen even with Owen Smith in charge right? Unless there is another election before the boundary changes are made anyway.

I don't know when these changes are going to come in but if Corbyn wins, I'm sure there'll be another election later this year or early next year. Deselection, as I understand it, is decided by the NEC. They can't stop it happening but they can decide the timetables, weighting of the votes and a load of other stuff to make it easier or much harder to push a deselection through. This is a threat by Corbyn, clear and simple. Get behind me or you'll be at risk. Some people might like that he's saying this obviously. I'm sort of neutral, because if Corbyn wins, then something has to happen to either force a split or force cohesion.

monkey wrote:

There's a balancing act as they are representing their party, but MPs should be there to do more than act in complete subservience to a majority of their party's members in any given constituency. They've got the people that voted for them to think about, the people that didn't vote for them, and their own opinions to all tie up. Like I said, I'm neutral but there's zero chance that Corbyn would pushing for this if he thought it would harm his own prospects.

Nice find.

acemuzzy

Diluted Dante wrote:

Brexit deal may not be put to MPs until late March, officials say

I mean sure, we haven't written legislation that makes us leave in late March.

It's fine, the vote will still be meaningful

Armitage_Shankburn

RedDave2 wrote:

SpaceGazelle wrote:

May seems to be adopting the classic British tack of just repeating the same thing to the johnny foreigners until they understand. Maybe she'll start miming.

"WE *points to self* NO BACKSTOP *points at tourist map of Ireland and shakes finger*. YOU CHANGEZ DEALOS, COMPRENDEZ??"

Take a bow son, take a bow.

I enjoyed this too

Armitage_Shankburn

Diluted Dante wrote:

Here you go.

monkey wrote:

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Dante, go find monkeys posts on momentum deselection fears, now. That's an order from your Kommissar

July 2016

monkey wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

You know that will happen even with Owen Smith in charge right? Unless there is another election before the boundary changes are made anyway.

I don't know when these changes are going to come in but if Corbyn wins, I'm sure there'll be another election later this year or early next year. Deselection, as I understand it, is decided by the NEC. They can't stop it happening but they can decide the timetables, weighting of the votes and a load of other stuff to make it easier or much harder to push a deselection through. This is a threat by Corbyn, clear and simple. Get behind me or you'll be at risk. Some people might like that he's saying this obviously. I'm sort of neutral, because if Corbyn wins, then something has to happen to either force a split or force cohesion.

monkey wrote:

There's a balancing act as they are representing their party, but MPs should be there to do more than act in complete subservience to a majority of their party's members in any given constituency. They've got the people that voted for them to think about, the people that didn't vote for them, and their own opinions to all tie up. Like I said, I'm neutral but there's zero chance that Corbyn would pushing for this if he thought it would harm his own prospects.

This is a disappointment. The Gulag beckons

SpaceGazelle

Fintan O'Toole explaining English nationalism, the Irish border and the invention of oppression to Americans.

SpaceGazelle

I know it's long but it is good. If you start watching it you'll probably do the whole thing because Fintan.

acemuzzy

So the "not at risk" ferry contract with the ferry company with no ferries had been terminated, I think because the company realised they had no ferries rather than the government doing so. Grayling genius once more.

djchump

https://twitter.com/mikechamberlain/status/1094264608171483138?s=20

RedDave2

djchump wrote:

https://twitter.com/mikechamberlain/status/1094264608171483138?s=20

Yeah, says it all.

Brooks

... to people who already get it.

SpaceGazelle

The Guardian's Anywhere But Westminister series is alright/bleak.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa_1MA_DEorEtJesA0TC4RrJajbk3NIix

LivDiv

So we are back to brinkmanship.
At this stage its total deadlock, May's counter offer to Corbyn was garbage but it's as good as it is going to get, May holds all the cards and it is clear she is willing to utilise the threat of no deal as leverage.

Polling is showing a Tory majority in the event of a GE so that is off the cards.

Take the offer, pass the deal and save the economy another month of uncertainty. It's too late for anything else now and the economy cannot take an extension.

SpaceGazelle

May's deal is the option most likely to create an even bigger divide though. It really is all fucked no matter what happens.

No deal destroys the economy, and remain only angers the working class further, and christ knows they've got a lot to be angry about already. Yes they'll be even worse off with a no deal, but they're not going to see any positives come out of May's deal or remain either.

Kazuo

Off the back of today's positive-for-the-Tories polling news, I'd love to see another 'fuck it all' general election called on a whim.

SpaceGazelle

Amazing that this astonishingly shite Tory government would still probably edge it in a GE. If that's not a sign of societal meltdown I don't know what is

Diluted Dante

At this point. the best option appears to be backing Mays shitshow if it's confirmed in a referendum, where the other option is remaining in the EU.

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