LivDiv wrote:

Friday is gonna be a busy night for the police. A lot of stupid people will be getting stupid drunk.

I'm gonna stay home and barricade the doors.

I booked some annual leave for another reason but I’m bloody glad I’m off

Celebrate Brexit with a commemorative tea towel!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/28/got-brexit-done-tory-party-sells-12-tea-towel-in-celebration

Soak it in piss and breathe through it.

Roujin wrote:

GooberTheHat wrote:

The government's Migration Advisory Commission has recommended that the salary threshold for skilled migrants from outside the EU should be lowered from £30,000 to £25,600. Finally taking control of our borders.

Ahhh pre empting the wage slump, very clever.

I’m confused by this. Do you two disagree with this policy?

I get the point that's being made - by lowering barriers to entry, immigration increases, and wasn't the point of Brexit to reduce immigration - but of course the point of Brexit was not to reduce immigration, at least not if you're the UK government, who've always said Britain would welcome the "right sort" of immigrants.

I'd bet that even most people who voted for Brexit don't mind that the "right sort" of immigration occurs (ie: people with means, income, a job, skills etc), because the mindset if that EU migration generally meant low skilled workers taking our jobs and putting welfare and public services under pressure.

This absolutely is showing control of our borders by setting the criteria under which immigrants can apply to reside and work here.

Oh yeah, I don't think it will happen in the slightest but it would be a great retort in PMQs.

Currently what they are telling people in these valued professions is that if they didn't happen to be UK citizens they wouldn't be welcome. Quite a shocking thing to imply given their importance to our society.

Minnesänger wrote:

Roujin wrote:

GooberTheHat wrote:

The government's Migration Advisory Commission has recommended that the salary threshold for skilled migrants from outside the EU should be lowered from £30,000 to £25,600. Finally taking control of our borders.

Ahhh pre empting the wage slump, very clever.

I’m confused by this. Do you two disagree with this policy?

I agree with this policy, I was making a joke about the economy going in the toilet post brexit.

Funkstain wrote:

I get the point that's being made - by lowering barriers to entry, immigration increases, and wasn't the point of Brexit to reduce immigration - but of course the point of Brexit was not to reduce immigration, at least not if you're the UK government, who've always said Britain would welcome the "right sort" of immigrants.

I'd bet that even most people who voted for Brexit don't mind that the "right sort" of immigration occurs (ie: people with means, income, a job, skills etc), because the mindset if that EU migration generally meant low skilled workers taking our jobs and putting welfare and public services under pressure.

This absolutely is showing control of our borders by setting the criteria under which immigrants can apply to reside and work here.

My understanding is that it applies to non eu migrants. There was never any barrier to the govt doing this before. A ton of the rhetoric around Brexit was immigration control, and the first thing that happens after we got "brexit done" is to recommend a lessening of the immigration barriers that we already had in place.

Personally I'm not against immigration at all. I just think it is ironic that one of the first recommendations after Brexit would see immigration increase, not decrease.

Is this an an average with London excluded? If so I don’t believe it. A lot of people I know earn a lot less than this.

So this includes London?

It does come up when I look at certain UX roles. But guessing that’s the professional skew.

Like I say median of total salaries would be a much better metric but we never seem to see that.

TBH £29k in Manchester seems low to me. But guessing you have a lot of factors of demand and make up of companies beyond just geography.

Yep your mate is a knob. Even if I’m he did Loaf/Made for a year he’d have his pick the following year.

UX Designer is one of those roles that some companies still don’t understand. I guess that’s why it fluxes up and down. If we are getting picky technically you can’t actually design. A user experience. You design a product that affects a users experience, hopefully in a good way. I see UX designer roles fall into a couple of categories. Digital designers who take on board user research data and design accordingly. Or UI designers with front end dev skills to develop interaction design. Guessing the differing skill requirements could also affect salaries.

From my experience if you apply for a visa for a London based job or studies, you are required to show a higher level of earnings. Not sure what the new figures will be though.

When people think of skilled migrants, we often thing of doctors, nurses, engineers etc. but the occupation shortage list also includes chefs, dancers, musicians and carers. Jobs that should be well-paid, for sure, but ones that won’t necessarily be so.

As for Goobers point about being able to do this before we left the EU - this is true. However, there’s an argument used a lot, especially by MPs and groups with Commonwealth affiliations, that the freedom of movement, work and study for EU members (even if it was never as simple as that) led to it being prohibitively hard for non-EU migrants, as they would be the first to be squeezed when trying to keep numbers down.

It’s also worth remembering that couples have been separated due to the earnings threshold - if you’re a British citizen with a non-EU spouse, you do not have the automatic right to bring him or her to live in the UK. You have to be able to show that you can support this person. A lower threshold will mean fewer families separated.