Racist - The Bear and Badger

Yossarian

Facewon wrote:

Also, semi related, it's fucking amazing how easily duped/convinced new athiest/na adjacent folks are by nazis.

Michael shermer up on twitter talking about how the nazi party were socialists.

But they’re called the national SOCIALISTS! Check and mate!!

Facewon

I'm not even joking, that is damn near the wording of his Tweet on that...

https://twitter.com/_DanArrows/status/1145414641255878656?s=19

Yossarian

Yeah, I’ve seen similar before. That is literally the entirety of the argument for nazis being left wing.

GooberTheHat

GooberTheHat wrote:

That's been an alt right trope for a long time now, as is casting all authoritarian/dictatorial regimes as left wing.

Yossarian

One of my favourite arguments around this involved a guy having it explained that, despite the name, they weren’t actually socialist who responded with something along the lines of “but you leftists say that we should take someone at their word when they identify themselves, don’t you? Huh? Huh? HYPOCRITES!”

Minnesänger

Yossarian wrote:

Facewon wrote:

Also, semi related, it's fucking amazing how easily duped/convinced new athiest/na adjacent folks are by nazis.

Michael shermer up on twitter talking about how the nazi party were socialists.

But they’re called the national SOCIALISTS! Check and mate!!

These people have never heard of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Minnesänger

Democracy has failed! It’s in the name!

Vela

Yossarian wrote:

Facewon wrote:

Also, semi related, it's fucking amazing how easily duped/convinced new athiest/na adjacent folks are by nazis. Michael shermer up on twitter talking about how the nazi party were socialists.

But they’re called the national SOCIALISTS! Check and mate!!

This was the low hanging fruit, but makes you wonder why the same logic never applies to People's Republics, Democratic Republics, Democratic Peoples Republics and United states.

hunk

Facewon wrote:

Also, semi related, it's fucking amazing how easily duped/convinced new athiest/na adjacent folks are by nazis. Michael shermer up on twitter talking about how the nazi party were socialists.

Lol, I miss grilling Jrpc.

Facewon

“Why #ADOS Is Trash. Receipts Attached.” by Talib Kweli Greene https://link.medium.com/2LhHrXXj1X

dynamiteReady

I accidentally watched some odd documentary about the conduct of a movement like that. Like Black Americans for Trump, or some shit like that.

I tend to overlook the effect of these social network 'splinter' groups, because I find it hard to believe that they could ever gain any real traction. But then of course, I guess traction is not the goal, and the real intention is to curate an opposing force of real substance.

Probably not news to anyone, I guess.

#ADOS need Talib (and others in the space) basically.

He's now implicit by association.

Cool piece of writing though.

Facewon

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/superior-the-return-of-race-science-angela-saini

Reckon I want to read this book.

tin_robot

Facewon wrote:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/superior-the-return-of-race-science-angela-saini

Reckon I want to read this book.

I picked up a copy of that last weekend after listening to her talk at a festival. Haven’t had time to read it yet, but will try and report back when I do. Her previous book, Inferior, is excellent...

dynamiteReady

Pretty blatant this row - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48990760 - was expecting someone else to have raised it by now.

We all had our ideas about Trump, but such comments should shut down any benefit of a doubt.

What happens next?

This should do for Trump, imo. I doubt he'll be impeached (though it always seems possible), but after this, his job will surely be close to impossible.

And with the problems in Iran right now, and their purported root cause there's certainly a real storm forming around the man.

Yossarian

It was raised in the US politics thread. FWIW, he had no benefit of any doubt from me before this happened.

mistercrayon

Nobody will care and it’ll still be the fucking same.

Diluted Dante

Yep. His supporters can rationalize anything he says.

djchump

It's not that they can rationalise away the racism, it's that they think the same because they are racist.

RedDave2

djchump wrote:

It's not that they can rationalise away the racism, it's that they think the same because they are racist.

Certainly seems that way. If 2016 was 'lock her up' I wouldn't bet against 2020 being the year of 'send them home.'

Diluted Dante

djchump wrote:

It's not that they can rationalise away the racism, it's that they think the same because they are racist.

Not all of them. For some what he's doing is a trade off they are willing to make for his behavior.

Facewon

I generally go the Talib Kweli route, so he's been a nazi in my mind for the entirety of his political career.

hunk

People should know what Trump is by now.
If they are surprised by his remarks they haven't been paying attention for the past 4 years or so.

Armitage_Shankburn

I think it's more that he is openly saying it that gets people

What we really should think about is why he chose to say that. I think he's scared of the left wing of the democrats, of Bernie in particular. He doesn't want working class americans to hear the Bernie message (which is now being vulgarly repeated by nearly all other dem nom candidates). Who knows what polls he has seen and what movement within them.

He's trying to shift conversations in bars, work, and family tables in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.

cockbeard

If that's the stixkinb point I wil openly say it agoan and agsaon and agotn and agpen

edit: sticking not whatever keyboard smush that was

hunk

Trump's rallying his core voters for the upcoming 2020 Presidential campaign (aka the race wars to some). It got him elected the last time as it is a very effective strategy in combination with gerrymandering so he's trying it again. Besides, he's enabled by the GOP and Congress. As long as he can give them what they want (taxbreaks!) they'll tolerate him and his (mis)behaviour in current position.

The current right is devoid of ideology and shame. The only thing that matters to them is staying in power whatever the tactic necessary. If it means courting the far right....so be it.

GooberTheHat

But trump actually believes it too. He's not just courting the far right white Supremacists because he thinks thwy will help him win, he actually hates black and brown people.

hunk

Trump like many white American people believes he's superior to black and brown people due to the American class system where class hierarchy is forever bound to race. That's how deep and impactful the act of enslavement was there.

Also, don't forget gerrymandering. Yes the russians, FB and social media helped him but gerrymandering in the form of the US electoral college was the true enabler. Without it Trump could not have won the US presidency.

dynamiteReady

Facewon wrote:

I generally go the Talib Kweli route, so he's been a nazi in my mind for the entirety of his political career.

I know it's a bit naive, but I had hoped that time in office and the gravity of responsibility would have mellowed him out. If anything, the power has made him much worse.

He doesn't even confer loyalty to his own team (hence the revolving door).

I like to think that sheer maths (the number of sane white people in the US, plus the minority groups), will prevent his stupid gambit from working.

Think about it... Even in the bleakest scenario, too much of the country's wealth, is tied to 'brown' people of various hues.

Yes, he's the 'President'. There's a limit to that power though.

poprock

What Trump does, intentionally or not, is shift the window of ‘acceptable’ public discourse further towards the extreme right.

By spewing racist bile on Twitter, he makes everyone else (press especially) talk about it. Which makes it less shocking the next time he, or someone else in the public eye, does the same.

It’s insidious and powerful. It’s how hate groups and nutcases start to feel legitimatised.

hunk

Four more years!

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