Im watching Batman & Robin.
It is so good.

Batman just slid down the back of a Brontosaurus. You aren't gonna get Patterson doing that.

60s style Batman done now would be Batman & Robin ya mental.

Covid has delayed the Brontosaurus slide.

Real talk - the Schumacher Batmans are bad. Not bad because they’re camp, but bad because they’re bad. They’re an absolute mess visually. There’s so much going on you can’t tell what’s what. Any shot of Gotham is just confusing. Red and blue lighting and incomprehensible architecture.

The performances are what kills the movies though. Kilmer and Clooney are just hunks of meat, barely acting. Not keeping it deadpan like Adam West, just literally doing nothing. It’s admittedly a while since I’ve seen them but they’re passable in Bruce Wayne mode as they both know how how to play suave rich dicks. But put them in that bondage style Batsuit and they’re completely lost. Jim Carey is in full Jim Carey mode ie annoying as hell. Tommy Lee Two-Face I think must have been drunk throughout filming. He’s barely comprehensible. Apart from them the only one putting any effort in is the Robin one. Chris wassisname. Arnie and Uma are terrible.
The jokes don’t land, there’s nothing witty in the scripts like 60s Batman. They’re not comedies, they’re not good action films. They might have a lot of intentional absurdity in there but it’s not clear when I’m supposed to be amused and when I’m not. It was never though.

monkey wrote:

Real talk - the Schumacher Batmans are bad. Not bad because they’re camp, but bad because they’re bad. They’re an absolute mess visually. There’s so much going on you can’t tell what’s what. Any shot of Gotham is just confusing. Red and blue lighting and incomprehensible architecture.

The performances are what kills the movies though. Kilmer and Clooney are just hunks of meat, barely acting. Not keeping it deadpan like Adam West, just literally doing nothing. It’s admittedly a while since I’ve seen them but they’re passable in Bruce Wayne mode as they both know how how to play suave rich dicks. But put them in that bondage style Batsuit and they’re completely lost. Jim Carey is in full Jim Carey mode ie annoying as hell. Tommy Lee Two-Face I think must have been drunk throughout filming. He’s barely comprehensible. Apart from them the only one putting any effort in is the Robin one. Chris wassisname. Arnie and Uma are terrible.
The jokes don’t land, there’s nothing witty in the scripts like 60s Batman. They’re not comedies, they’re not good action films. They might have a lot of intentional absurdity in there but it’s not clear when I’m supposed to be amused and when I’m not. It was never though.

If you are analysing to that level then you are Schumacering wrong.

I get they’re supposed to be tongue in cheek but the cheeks shouldn’t be Joel Schumachers ass.

Haha.
Look, they are categorically not good movies but they are lightweight and fun. In fact I dont think Forever goes far enough on that road to bother with, it is more of a third Burton movie without Burton (when Burton was good of course).

B&R is so far gone it is fun, silly and most importantly knowing. The more of these grim dark Batman and DC movies come out the more I like it, the more it stands out.
Watching Patterson sat there, mascara running down his face like someone has been dumped on the dance floor of Oceana after too many gin cocktails. It makes me like B&R even more.

I like Forever and And Robin for what they are which is not good but it is entertaining.

There was one bit in And Robin where Batgirl bursts in and tells Poison Ivy she’s about to become compost. But she pronounces ‘-post’ as in the stuff the postman puts through the door. I’d never heard it before and it took me by such surprise I burst out laughing in an otherwise silent cinema. To the amusement of those around me. Good times.

Apart from that, they’re duds.

Milton Keynes had one, pretty sure Leeds did as well.

I didnt realise New Mutants was actually finally coming out next week.
What's her chops from Game of Thrones looks about 7 years old.

It was the biggest place in Milton Keynes, because Milton Keynes.
I liked it when I was 18,19. Went off to uni, came back and it was a bit tragic. My experiences were obviously broadened but the place seemed to go a bit downhill as well. The last time I went in it was half empty and I gotta tell you a half empty Oceana is extremely depressing.

Cardiff has an oceana which became an icehouse.

It's pretty surprising to me that in the last few years my favourite superhero has become Gwen Stacy.

djchump wrote:

Batman is probably still my favourite superhero, but I'm very aware of the 1%er fascist overtones of a billionaire vigilante dressing up to beat the shit out of street criminals and the mentally ill with the tacit authorisation of the police for his vigilante lawbreaking, and the shifting of opinion towards capital punishment because "well Batman gets results, so we should let the cops break criminals' spines", but this guy's idea for a "dark and gritty" Batman vs. Police corruption might work nicely:  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1297996912822493196.html

I think you are over thinking batman a bit there, but I think that's an interesting and modern take on the character. It put s a genuinely modern take on the character and without damaging the core concept of the character.