Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice - The Bear and Badger

Moot_Geeza

Brooks wrote:

Which is fine, except when you keep needing to complete the puzzle to get back to that boss you died on for the umpteenth time. They make some effort to shortcut that, at least, but what I really want is the kind of checkpointing that means I can have a go at the guy again immediately. Hardcore platform games do this all the time now (imagine Meat Boy without this, yikes) and it's just infinitely better. Be difficult but don't waste my damn time.

This is what puts me off all these games.
Even when I feel myself getting temped to try I know corpse schlepping isn't going to appeal. I would definitely play this or Bloodborne if they had enough checkpoints to make purists cry. No-one would die if they added a same difficulty + instant respawn quick play mode for those who want it (yes, XP would have to be auto-balanced or bootsed etc yawn). I suppose one or two people might combust knowing there's an option to RUIN EVERYTHING in the settings, but it'd be doing them a favour.

hylian_elf

@Brooks: That’s always been a problem though. Something I hated in Dark Souls and hate it in this too.

JonB

The two major bosses I've done so far have had checkpoints right before at least.

JonB

I finally managed to win against Lady B. That feels like this game's Father Gascoigne moment, where you can't just bluff it anymore and it tests if you've learned the game properly (which I think I have now, just about). It was super tough, but in the end I felt like I had the answer to almost all of her attacks and could spot them coming. I still had to resurrect at one point, because I got stun locked at an inopportune moment, but they all count.

Kow

I'm just at her too now. She's tough.

JonB

Here's a video of my fight with her:

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Mikemsp

So I literally can’t defeat

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might go back to the original area and try my luck there

Kernowgaz

Drunk guy was a piece of piss once I’d

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But now I’ve killed him

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can I just have a hint for my question please.

Kow

You should have a key.

Kernowgaz

Should I?

mistercrayon

Yes. Earlier on when you first

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It’s kind of camouflaged because of the chaotic background.

Kow

Yes,

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Kow

mistercrayon wrote:

Yes. Earlier on when you first

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enter the fire building there’s a dying man who will give you a key. It’s just after a fight with two shield men and a fat guy.

To be fair he may have missed that. I almost did.

hylian_elf

I skipped it then went back cos I thought other guy might’ve been optional.

hylian_elf

Mikemsp wrote:

So I literally can’t defeat

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the Shinobi hunter mini boss guy with the spear, in Hirada Estate, I’ve done the training with the guy at the temple on how to deflect thrust attacks but I just can’t seem to execute it on this guy!
might go back to the original area and try my luck there

Shortly before you get to him,

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Brooks

hylian_elf wrote:

@Brooks: That’s always been a problem though. Something I hated in Dark Souls and hate it in this too.

True, but to my mind Souls bosses are basically easier of pattern and behaviour, you can co-op through a spike if necessary, and if worst comes to worst, grind to get your stats up so you can take a few more mishaps. None of those crutches exist here. Even the extra life thing is a bit pish insofar as plenty of baddies can oneshot and you only get back half your bar. Reveals what structural problems remain.

Kow

LB can just fuck right off.

Kernowgaz

Kow wrote:

mistercrayon wrote:

Yes. Earlier on when you first

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enter the fire building there’s a dying man who will give you a key. It’s just after a fight with two shield men and a fat guy.

To be fair he may have missed that. I almost did.

After you’ve beaten the drunkard?

Kow

Nope, beginning of level.

Kernowgaz

Near the bridge ?

Kow

Yep

Kernowgaz

Ok. Cheers.

JonB

Not the big bridge. The little one later. After the spear mid-boss.

Kow

Start of the fire.

Mikemsp

hylian_elf wrote:

Mikemsp wrote:

So I literally can’t defeat

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the Shinobi hunter mini boss guy with the spear, in Hirada Estate, I’ve done the training with the guy at the temple on how to deflect thrust attacks but I just can’t seem to execute it on this guy!
might go back to the original area and try my luck there

Shortly before you get to him,

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someone dying on the ground tells you about him and to be aware and that something you should get from a temple to help you, the axe. Same axe that you use to easily defend shield guys just before him. Game is telling you to use the axe!

Sneak around and take out the little guys, sneak and get one hit on ninja hunter. Then use axe when you can to really hurt his posture and guard break him. Bingo.

Thanks for the info, I’ll try that.

I went back to Ashina and immediately came across a wall in the form of an enemy with red eyes, caused me a lot of problems, took it down eventually but found it really tough, its dive attack kept getting the best of me

Kernowgaz

JonB wrote:

Not the big bridge. The little one later. After the spear mid-boss.

So I have to beat spear man after you meet the

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Kow

If you've got to the drunk then you've passed the place. You probably just missed the guy.

Kernowgaz

Kow wrote:

If you've got to the drunk then you've passed the place. You probably just missed the guy.

I haven’t beaten the spear bloke though.

Kernowgaz

Kow wrote:

If you've got to the drunk then you've passed the place. You probably just missed the guy.

I went to the drunk via a

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Kow

Oh. I don't know so.

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