The Last Jedi & Episode 9 - Discussion and SPOILERS (that means stay out if you have not seen it) - The Bear and Badger

pantyfire

legaldinho wrote:

pantyfire wrote:

The problem with Luke doing kerazy Jedi destroying 10 AT-ATs stuff is that the force then becomes a Deus ex machina. After that happens once and from then on as a viewer you subconsciously sit there and think what's the point just get the force to kill everything at the end. If you really think about it the most impressive thing we've seen the force do in movies up to this point is move an xwing.

I actually like the restraint with which they have approached the force. The prequel trilogy was kind of an arm's race, and having Luke smash that army would have been a short high at the expense of the long term narrative. Still, it would have been an awesome finish if they had not... Killed him at the end for no reason whatever. If you kill him, let him smash those at-ats at least. Or push them back, a force push that Kylo resists with difficulty, and the at-ats slowly, forcibly walking back, a couple falling, maybe one fires and hits another... That would have been a feat worthy of Luke, and I could have understood that it took everything out of him. Instead, well, he says see you around, leaves, is tired, then dies. It stunk of "killing the past" for its own sake. And for me, they didn't do the work you need to do to justify that. Rey went backwards in this movie in terms of progress. Only Poe has an arc and it is infuriatingly nonsensical. Everyone else is utterly uninteresting.

OK, now that I can get onboard with. Have Luke duking it out using the force against the AT-AT's, he's distracted and sucker punched by Kylo or something.

The one thing that did really niggle me was IIRC the imperials saying the smaller ships can outrun their star destroyers but then for the whole chase they maintained a set distance between them according to the little computer graphic it kept cutting to.
That will annoy me forever.

superflyninja

pantyfire wrote:

The one thing that did really niggle me was IIRC the imperials saying the smaller ships can outrun their star destroyers but then for the whole chase they maintained a set distance between them according to the little computer graphic it kept cutting to. That will annoy me forever.

Yup. Taking the stigma of Star wars out of the picture of a moment, this is is lazy, shit writing.

tin_robot

superflyninja wrote:

pantyfire wrote:

The one thing that did really niggle me was IIRC the imperials saying the smaller ships can outrun their star destroyers but then for the whole chase they maintained a set distance between them according to the little computer graphic it kept cutting to. That will annoy me forever.

Yup. Taking the stigma of Star wars out of the picture of a moment, this is is lazy, shit writing.

The smaller ships can outrun the star destroyers, but know they can be tracked wherever they go, and are trying to limit their fuel consumption. So it's perfectly logical for them to maintain a speed that keeps them just out of harm's way.

(Really, the better question remains, "Why didn't the First Order get a bunch of ships to warp into position in the Resistance's flight path?" To which the only answer I can come up with remains - because they were so confident they had them trapped they couldn't see the point.)

superflyninja

tin_robot wrote:

The one thing that did really niggle me was IIRC the imperials saying the smaller ships can outrun their star destroyers but then for the whole chase they maintained a set distance between them according to the little computer graphic it kept cutting to. That will annoy me forever.

Yup. Taking the stigma of Star wars out of the picture of a moment, this is is lazy, shit writing.

The smaller ships can outrun the star destroyers, but know they can be tracked wherever they go, and are trying to limit their fuel consumption. So it's perfectly logical for them to maintain a speed that keeps them just out of harm's way. (Really, the better question remains, "Why didn't the First Order get a bunch of ships to warp into position in the Resistance's flight path?" To which the only answer I can come up with remains - because they were so confident they had them trapped they couldn't see the point.)

But dont forget about the planet. The planet they were heading towards(secretly). Would it not have been better to scoot off ahead, hunker down and attempt to contact some allies?
At least more rebels would have made it.
Hell ONE of the star destroyers could have made a tiny jump to lightspeed to come in just ahead and pincer the rebels.
And lets not forget the tie fighters had been mysteriously withdrawn. For reasons.

RamSteelwood

the slow chase, and admiral hodo not revealing their plan, bother me much less than Hodo saying "i need to stay behind to fly the ship"...and then she stands at the window for half an hour watching everyone get blown to shit and doing absolutely zero flying. she could have positioned the ship to protect them...or changed direction to draw the attention of the new order...or even 'jumped' so that they would 'track' the ship.

"Sir, by our calculations their ship will be out of fuel soon."
"Hmmm, strange that it's just flying straight towards that planet, I wonder what they could be thinking of doing when the fuel runs out?"

GooberTheHat

Andy wrote:

It wasn’t Kylo & Rey using their force powers to communicate, it was Snoke.

Quoted for page turn.

pantyfire

I like Kylo as a bad guy.
Not your traditional uber competent bad guy or your common fits of deranged laughter one either, more like a high school massacre kind of bad guy. The quiet unassuming kid wearing a long black coat.
They are way scarier.

Skondo

Ren isn't scary, he's like a stroppy teenager.

It seems like the First Order aren't really feared in this film, they're incompetent comedy villains. Hux being the Dick Dastardly character.

I may have mentioned that Poe has evolved into a complete tit. Complete, utter, total tit.

Paul the sparky

Watching the RLM video, what's that laugh about at 41:52? It's like a dog trained to bark on command.

Paul the sparky

Was Mike really suggesting that he'd like to see a film about government and the changes in the political climate after Rey and Kylo got together? After the fucking kicking they dished out to The Phantom Menace over trade federation embargoes and what not?

Diluted Dante

Wait, we could have had a film about trade deals? The fuckers!

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https://youtu.be/ZQ8ir66M5XU

Roujin

Paul the sparky wrote:

Was Mike really suggesting that he'd like to see a film about government and the changes in the political climate after Rey and Kylo got together? After the fucking kicking they dished out to The Phantom Menace over trade federation embargoes and what not?

No he was not.

He wanted a film about how they go back to being a demilitarized society after they took over.

You can do all kinds of interesting stuff with the soldiers returning from war theme without doing trade taxation.

Evidence: OG Rambo

Paul the sparky

He said to return to political life and backtrack what the Emperor did, so reinstate the Senate etc.

Which sounds fucking rotten to be fair.

I agree that you can do loads of stories in that universe, even different perspectives on the stories we already know. I thought that was where Rogue One was supposed to go but they fucked that.

Rambo though, blimey. So the last of the trilogy is a character piece on how Fin struggles to adapt to civilian life with a dose of intergalactic PTSD and some dodgy cops on his back? Doesn't sound like light hearted family friendly Star Wars to me.

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Paul the sparky wrote:

Was Mike really suggesting that he'd like to see a film about government and the changes in the political climate after Rey and Kylo got together? After the fucking kicking they dished out to The Phantom Menace over trade federation embargoes and what not?

The line about killing john Paul and George and regretting it made me lol doe

Paul the sparky

I love RLM, top chaps. Agree with a lot of their points too, but still enjoyed the film overall.

RamSteelwood

b0r1s

I don’t get the rampant desire to pull the film apart and piss on peoples enjoyment of it. It’s really odd. Video after video. Post after post. Pretty much all saying the same stuff. People don’t like it. We get it. I enjoyed. It wasn’t the best SW film but so what. They aren’t going to remake it. Move on and watch Empire again.

Diluted Dante

Is there pissing on peoples enjoyment of it in here? I've only just watched so am commenting on it. I didn't really like it. Can I not say that?

Paul the sparky

You can definitely say that. What didn't you like about it?

TheDJR

dilutedchalice

jdanielp

legaldinho wrote:

But you can't have blood in star wars.

There was blood in TFA.

Skerret

That was jam

optimark_prime

There was blood in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

Or jam.

Diluted Dante

TheDJR wrote:

dilutedchalice

I've seen it in the last 3 months.

Paul the sparky

jdanielp wrote:

legaldinho wrote:

But you can't have blood in star wars.

There was blood in TFA.

optimark_prime wrote:

There was blood in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

Or jam.

There was blood in TLJ, Hux's nose sprung a leak after Snoke's hologram beat down.

RamSteelwood

There was blood on the dance floor of salt-hoth

[Deleted User]

Watched last night.
I really enjoyed it, was some great stuff in there.

My main criticisms. It was a bit bitty and generally doesn't work as a stand alone movie, which it should despite being in a trilogy.
Finn and Rose's story had no real bearing on other aspects of the plot in the long run, remove those scene from the film and nothing changes. This isn't helped by the casino being pretty poor. The plot is shoe horned in for the Chinese market and to give Finn something to do.

The best parts were the Jedi stuff. Moving away from very basic Dark vs Light stuff is really refreshing and preferable to another story about Skywalkers being really good or really bad.

Puppet Yoda! Finally back to the Yoda I loved as a kid, slightly odd, lost his marbles, weird hermit Yoda.

superflyninja

There is no pissing in the cornflakes of those that enjoyed the movie. If you liked it,great,
I'm just incredulous at how TLJ turned out and am discussing it.

MattyJ

Liveinadive wrote:

Watched last night.
I really enjoyed it, was some great stuff in there.

My main criticisms. It was a bit bitty and generally doesn't work as a stand alone movie, which it should despite being in a trilogy.
Finn and Rose's story had no real bearing on other aspects of the plot in the long run, remove those scene from the film and nothing changes. This isn't helped by the casino being pretty poor. The plot is shoe horned in for the Chinese market and to give Finn something to do.

The best parts were the Jedi stuff. Moving away from very basic Dark vs Light stuff is really refreshing and preferable to another story about Skywalkers being really good or really bad.

Puppet Yoda! Finally back to the Yoda I loved as a kid, slightly odd, lost his marbles, weird hermit Yoda.

The Finn and Rose stuff gives the First Order the knowledge of what the rebels are going to do, so they start attacking the transport ships and head to the planet. Because Del Toro betrays them (terrible character btw, wtf was that tick?!) and gives the Order the info.

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