The Last Jedi & Episode 9 - Discussion and SPOILERS (that means stay out if you have not seen it)
  • I woukd have liked to see just one single, colossal, demonstration of his power that kills him in the process. No saber fighting. Just nothing the whole film other than doing his best to carefully pass on what he can to Rey with memories of Kylo on his mind and then just one fucking huge redemptive spectacle witnessed by many that turns the tide of an impossible situation for the resistance.

    Would have been fucking mint.

    Fuck I'm almost tearing up at the thought of it if they did it right.

    But no. Dead in a cave innit.
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  • He's not dead, he's immortal now.
  • Witnessed by Kylo as well. A lesson that you can always make amends for your mistakes to give him some resolve and belief in himself going into Episode 9 where his fate is decided good or bad.
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  • Fucking hire me Disney it's your only hope.
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  • Roujin wrote:
    I woukd have liked to see just one single, colossal, demonstration of his power that kills him in the process.

    You kinda did...
  • Okay, yeah. I meant something a little more fitting for the main guy of the whole saga in his final moments, rather than what we got I guess.
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  • Oh gawd no, I wouldn't have wanted yet another remake of a scene, that's what made FA so awful in places.

    I for one had no issues with Luke astrally projecting himself onto another planet. Disliked the way they killed off Han with a light saber through the heart; glad to see Luke leave the stage with more style.
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  • The Luke bit at the end was, by my reckoning the only bit that was vaguely original, even that had echoes of Obi-Wan’s death. The opening is one bit of the Hoth escape from Empire. The chase is a piss poor version of the Falcon evading the Empire. Casino = Cloud City, Emperors Throne Room = Emperors Throne Room. End face off with the ATATs is a piss poor version of the ATAT Hoth bit.

    Not that they didn’t have original elements and clever reworkings of these scenes and so on but it was all a bit Sonic Mania.
  • Luke could have gone out expending himself on something more dramatic than astral projection though is what I'm saying.

    I didn't want to see him fighting at all. Like he's given up on it after he fucked up with Kylo but he has to do something when the resistance has it's back to the wall. He could have pulled a fucking starship down onto a first order batallion or something in a battle where resistance are on the brink of being overrun. I mean apart from that happened already in that fucking Starkiller game.
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  • Fuck guys, just imagine it. The battlefield is a fucking mess, regimented first order goons are competently thrashing the resistance. It's a fucking massacre.

    Ya boi luke steps forward into the smoke and the carnage. Kneels down. Raises his hands and pulls a fucking warship down from orbit. Everyone starts running, ship smashes down, crushes fucking everything in frint of it, dragged through the ground towards Luke, comes to rest right in front of him. Momentary silent pause and luke slumps forward onto the very tip of the bow.

    What a fucking don.

    Explain how ya man doing Patrick Swayze at the pottery wheel is a more fitting end?
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  • That flagrant use of force power to throw large physical objects about with gay abandon has always been a dark side thing though (think Vader vs Luke in the Cloud City battle)  The Light side emphasizes more subtle displays of strength.  Astral projection Luke fits in perfectly with this.
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  • Blocks100 wrote:
    That flagrant use of force power to throw large physical objects about with gay abandon has always been a dark side thing though (think Vader vs Luke in the Cloud City battle)  The Light side emphasizes more subtle displays of strength.  Astral projection Luke fits in perfectly with this.

    Except that time Yoda lifted an X-Wing to prove a point.

    Roujin's idea is from the trailer to one of the recent Star Wars games isn't it? Force Unleashed II I think?
  • Han sacrificed himself trying to save his son. Han started as a selfish smuggler and in TFA he gave his life for his son. Great arc,nicely done.
    But Luke, I agree with Roujin. I think he deserved better, to go out in a proper blaze of glory that would spur on his legend and possibly even in a way that saved Kylo Ren's life or some such shit, anything but the shitty end he got.
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  • Yeah i stated it had already been done in a game. Just an example like. Use your imaginations, anything other than the astral projection. Maybe Luke uses the force to keep a giant set of hangar doors open to let the resistance escape during a first order bombardment and he's literally trying to hold the whole thing together so peeps can escape and they have to leave him and they look back on their way out and the whole thing collapses on him.

    Throw in some slow no, have him whisper something profound sounding right at the end.

    Fucking sad times guys, hand me a tissue, luke just sacrificed himself to save the resistance. Maybe they doubted him the whole film cos he wouldn't intervene prior and people were like 'this guy is full of shit he can't help us' and now they're all 'ah fuck he was the real deal and we kind if treated him like shiiiiiit'

    Anything other than hologram tupac.

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  • i think if Luke was gonna go out with some grand, non violent force gesture...it would have been nice if it felt more substantial to the story.
    As it is, it's just the end of part 2...and all he did was cause a distraction so they could sneak out.  He could have just moved the rocks and dumped them in front of the door. Or created a 'salt storm' to delay the bad guys for a moment.
    If he'd done what he did to frustrate Kylo, while the rebels search for the magic macguffin in the mountain or something, only for Kylo to realise it was a trick too late, then it would have been something.
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  • As much as anything else, I see Luke sacrificing himself in order to harness Rey’s true power under his ghostly tutelage in the next film. The living Luke couldn’t shape and control Ren’s use of the Force, so by elevating to the eternal plane, he’s hoping he can help mound Rey.
  • Roujin wrote:
    Yeah i stated it had already been done in a game. Just an example like. Use your imaginations, anything other than the astral projection. Maybe Luke uses the force to keep a giant set of hangar doors open to let the resistance escape during a first order bombardment and he's literally trying to hold the whole thing together so peeps can escape and they have to leave him and they look back on their way out and the whole thing collapses on him. Throw in some slow no, have him whisper something profound sounding right at the end. Fucking sad times guys, hand me a tissue, luke just sacrificed himself to save the resistance. Maybe they doubted him the whole film cos he wouldn't intervene prior and people were like 'this guy is full of shit he can't help us' and now they're all 'ah fuck he was the real deal and we kind if treated him like shiiiiiit' Anything other than hologram tupac.
    See that wasnt even a thing in the movie. Nobody was doubting Luke or his ability, they treated finding him as a life or death matter of uttermost importance. I dunno, this movie feels very disjointed from TFA.
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  • Stopharage wrote:
    As much as anything else, I see Luke sacrificing himself in order to harness Rey’s true power under his ghostly tutelage in the next film. The living Luke couldn’t shape and control Ren’s use of the Force, so by elevating to the eternal plane, he’s hoping he can mount Rey.

    Erm...
  • He's not dead, he's immortal now.

    Deployed for platitudes in two scenes in next film, huzzah
    Roujin wrote:
    I woukd have liked to see just one single, colossal, demonstration of his power that kills him in the process. No saber fighting. Just nothing the whole film other than doing his best to carefully pass on what he can to Rey with memories of Kylo on his mind and then just one fucking huge redemptive spectacle witnessed by many that turns the tide of an impossible situation for the resistance.

    Would have been fucking mint.

    Fuck I'm almost tearing up at the thought of it if they did it right.

    But no. Dead in a cave innit.

    Would have been nice if he smashed up walkers. At least then I'd understand the strain. As it is, he demonstrated that force mastery means you still make a meeting if the RMT strikes, but it'll cost ya
  • I dunno, this movie feels very disjointed from TFA.
    This. As much my main gripe is around the way Luke is used, the film really messes with it's own trilogy too.
    I've just been speaking with a mate, who's never been that into star wars, he has no real 'attachment' to the originals. He's seen TFA but is in no rush to watch TLJ, and is more interested in the discussion around it.
    Anyway, out of interest i asked what plot points from TFA was he interested in seeing in the this/future movie. Of the points he came out with most of them just get chucked out in TLJ, the others get pretty weak follow ups.
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  • Skondo wrote:
    Stopharage wrote:
    As much as anything else, I see Luke sacrificing himself in order to harness Rey’s true power under his ghostly tutelage in the next film. The living Luke couldn’t shape and control Ren’s use of the Force, so by elevating to the eternal plane, he’s hoping he can mount Rey.
    Erm...

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  • Interesting piece on IGN about this. Basically they are saying the director of Last Jedi didn't really care about Phasma, Mas Kanata, Snoke and basically gave them the minimum about of screen time he could.

    Also JJ Abrams is back to direct episode 9, which for me makes no sense. If it's his vision why hasn't he directed all three movies. Much be annoying to comeback to the helm and have to sticky plaster a trilogy that a stand in director has fucked up.
  • STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Easter Eggs.

    By IGN.

    When Rey hands Luke his lightsaber, if you look closely at the back of his mechanical hand, it still has the same burn scar from when it was shot by a blaster bolt during the fight above the Sarlacc pit at the beginning of Return of the Jedi.

    Luke drinks green milk from an alien, a nod to the blue milk he drank at a meal with his aunt and uncle in A New Hope.

    At one point Luke mentions “Darth Sidious,” the only time he’s ever referred to Emperor Palpatine by that name, and a subtle bit of connective tissue to the prequels.

    The dissolves between Kylo and Leia as they share a mental connection during the First Order’s retaliatory attack early in the film are the same as when Luke reaches out to Vader after their battle in The Empire Strikes Back.

    Kylo Ren's scar doesn't match the wound Rey gave him during their battle at the end of The Force Awakens. Director Rian Johnson didn't like the scar's placement on Kylo Ren's forehead above his nose and took the liberty of moving it over his eye instead. This subsequently makes Kylo Ren look a bit more like Anakin Skywalker in Revenge of the Sith.


    During Luke’s Force illusion, he says he'll never leave Kylo Ren if he strikes him down, calling back to what Obi-Wan Kenobi told Darth Vader during their duel in A New Hope.

    Han Solo’s golden dice were originally seen in A New Hope (if you look super close in the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon). Even though you can’t see them in The Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, we’re assuming they were still there because they are back in The Force Awakens. Originally they were real dice painted gold, but for The Last Jedi they were redesigned to look more “Star Warsy” with symbols similar to those seen in use on Canto Bight.

    During Luke’s final moments, he sees two setting suns, a direct visual callback to the binary sunset on Tatooine when his journey first began.

    Also, the Force-sensitive kid at the end looks up at the stars the same way a young Luke once looked off into that sunset, wistfully imagining a life full of adventure beyond his meager beginnings.

    Also, every Star Wars movie sees someone lose a hand/arm, and while it might not seem apparent at first, it was Snoke whose arm was cut off when he was bisected by Rey's lightsaber. You can see the lightsaber pierce his arm (along with his midsection) when it Kylo Ren ignites it and watch as it passes through his arm completely when it gets Force-pulled over to Rey's hand. You can see the arm still on the armrest when Hux is surveying the damage.

    The entire Snoke throne room confrontation has numerous similarities to the Palpatine sequence at the end of Return of the Jedi:

    Rey is put in handcuffs just like Luke was.

    Snoke remotely undoes Rey's handcuffs just like the Emperor did to Luke.

    While in the elevator going up to the throne room, Rey tells Kylo that there's still good in him just like Luke said to Vader when he surrendered himself on Endor.

    Snoke’s Praetorian Guard are dressed in bright red, not unlike Palpatine’s Royal Guard.

    Rey tells Snoke that he is overconfident just like Luke told the Emperor.

    Snoke reveals he was the one who bridged Rey and Kylo Ren's minds not unlike how the Emperor reveals he set a trap for the Rebels on Endor.

    Snoke forces Rey to look out the window as the Resistance fleet is attacked just like the Emperor told Luke to watch the Rebel fleet get ambushed.

    Snoke puts Rey’s lightsaber on the arm of his chair just like the Emperor did with Luke’s.

    Rey tries to Force grab the lightsaber just like Luke did, and neither of these attempts at an attack were successful, with Snoke using the Force to hit Rey on the head with the lightsaber and return it to his chair and Darth Vader blocking Luke’s swing at the Emperor.

    Kylo betrays his master to save Rey just like Vader killed the Emperor to save his son.
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    At least Luke wasn't hilariously killed by a falling rock dislodged by the island caretaker creatures while he was preoccupied with astral-protecting.

    I was genuinely relieved when the shot of the boy on crap prequel casino planet force-grabbing the broom didn't turn into a song and dance number.

    Genuine speculation: will Episode IX be set a generation in the future and follow new 'Jedi', which could conveniently explain Leia's death?
  • That's what it suggested to me. A new rebellion, from 'the spark'. Expect broom boy as Luke 3.0! ;)
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  • New force power. Luke possesses the boy.
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    Every single star wars is a bit shit. Shit acting, shit script, stupid plot holes, the works.

    Other than the prequels I still liked them all. TLJ included.
  • Just out the cinema after finally getting to watch this.

    I’m really not sure, it certainly felt very long. I’ve only read the first page of this thread so far, so there’s very little I can add to what’s already been sad.

    Snoke’s death was a shock, as was Luke’s. I enjoyed Rey and Ren’s interactions, and some of the battle scenes were impressive.

    Expectations and excitement were probably too high and I feel slightly disappointed.

    I will go back and watch it again, when I’ve got some free time.
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  • Oh, the Leia flying through space stuff was awful.
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  • I took my 8 year old son to see this on Saturday. He thought it was the most awesome thing he'd ever seen. I think that's kinda the point with star wars tbh. I thought it had some good scenes, some funny bits, and some stupid stuff. But most importantly, my kid loved it which kinda made me love it, a wee bit.

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