Classical Music
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    Went to watch Tosca at the Royal Opera House over the weekend.
    First time at the Opera. Shit is mad. Quite fascinating when you think about it.

    The personnel (the actors, all top, top, specialised singers, the best orchestra available, a script writer, and the best composer available), and the age of the work? Would have probably cost the equivalent, if not more, relatively speaking, of a feature film.

    Provided a lot of food for thought... Considering how used to feature films we all are, I can draw a parallel to the three act structure of Tosca, to that of a feature film. Further to that, the score, even without the words, is far more nuanced than what you'd find in any feature film. The composers are scoring not scenes, but sentences, and it's mad. 

    The music still follows the arc of the story, so you can read it like a film (i.e. Imperial March, Indiana Jones theme, etc), but it will even follow incidental jokes, or concealed threats. Which seems like a lost art, and is something that could draw me back to another performance.

    But the shit is extremely long, and I think that's directly because of the concept of tying the music to each significant line of dialogue. A story beat that would take all of 30 seconds to commit to film, can appear to take 5+ minutes in an Opera, but that's ok...

    The Royal Opera House performance was helped along by large screen subtitles / captions, which I didn't know was a thing, but very much appreciated.
    The story itself was a little twee, but had some interesting turns, and quite a dark ending, so I'd wonder if that's common for the genre?

    Anyone been to any other performances?

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    Have always fancied giving opera a go but the language was always a barrier for me. This presentation sounds like something I'd be up for.
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    @Davy It was nice to be able to pick out words I've been learning, but much like Shakespearian English, in combination with the stylized singing, even native Italian speakers will say they have trouble following along. So yes, I would not have enjoyed it anywhere near as much, without the subtitles.

    People say shit like "Ah, you can understand the story from the performance", but I think that's a crock of shite.

    The music for itself though, is incredible (if you have a thing for classical music, or just a burgeoning interest, like the one I'm slowly developing), but I swear I saw the conductor pretending to turn pages, and not actually follow them...
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  • Love me some classical music, and visual performace is nice too, but the screaming stuff can fuck off.
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    Lol! There was no screaming in Tosca. It was all very controlled. Doubt I'd have enjoyed some shit like "Rise of the Valkyries", or whatever that stereotyped shit is.
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    Never been into ballet - at all.

    But this has something. The music is spectacular of course.

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    Got hold of an entire performance of this (not the same production as above).

    It's all a bit Wicker Man this - and it's an astounding piece of art.  I'd go and see if this live if I could.
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  • davyK wrote:
    Have always fancied giving opera a go but the language was always a barrier for me. This presentation sounds like something I'd be up for.

    Go for it - the subtitles above and below the stage make it very accessible. 

    I saw Turandot before lockdown, and it was great. They were all singing about how beautiful Turandot was, and then they wheeled out a big lady in the most rediculous make-up. The plot is.... insane/complete farce but in spite of that I still got chills during Nessun dorma.
  • I find opera to be a visceral experience. It’s as much about being in awe of the sheer scale and range of the sound that’s actually coming out of people, without amplification, as it is about the plot or performance. It’s as much about sheer overwhelming emotion as it is about story. Feeling rather than thinking.

    And I find small-scale, lo-fi performances more powerful than the big staged shows. Fringe opera, they call it.

    Scottish Opera used to always do brilliant ‘exploring opera’ nights where you got the team telling you about the production they were doing and explaining some big songs between short bursts of five-to-ten minute performances. Kind of like getting an extended trailer for an opera.

    And yeah - the surtitles are a common thing. I’ve rarely seen a performance without them.

    I never thought opera might be something I’d like, but then I picked up some opera singers as friends and they started inviting me to stuff. Now I have a couple of fringe opera companies as freelance clients.
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    Both opera and ballet performances astound me when I try and consider all of the elements that have to go together. Even the set design is an undertaking in itself.
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  • Just discovered the music of Belle Chen, who it seems does regularly get played on local radio.

    I think this is a beautiful little track. Very simple, focussed and gentle.
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  • davyK wrote:
    Never been into ballet - at all. But this has something. The music is spectacular of course.
    Though it was written as a ballet, it's most often performed these days as an orchestral work. It's a seminal work, which caused riots at its premiere in Paris in 1913. Stravinsky's contribution to the world of classical music is immense however and, despite arguably being not much of a looker, he also managed to have a torrid affair with Coco Chanel.

    Here's a full ballet performance, conducted by shameless Putin-sympathiser Valery Gergiev.
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