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  • It is sublimely cleansing, like much great music of the baroque period. Plus, I love playing those Concerti Grossi as they have really satisfying continuo parts.

    Do you have anyone similar to Corelli you can recommend? Or any other Corelli pieces. I'm a bit ignorant, you see.
  • Corelli wrote a lot of stuff like that; the one you posted is known as the 'Christmas Concerto' but he wrote 11 other Concerti Grossi too. That just happens to be the most popular one.

    For other similarly sublime baroque music though, you can't go wrong with period performances* of stuff like Bach violin concertos (see Rachel Podger playing the 'double' e.g.), the Brandenburg Concertos (no. 3 is the most famous) or Truls Mork's recordings of the CPE Bach concertos (that one's on Spotify).

    Corelli's most famous Italian contemporary though was Vivaldi, who was stupendously prolific, writing more than 500 concertos, besides a huge catalogue of other works. (Corelli, by comparison, wrote very little indeed). Vivaldi's most famous work is, of course, the Four Seasons, which is horrendously overplayed but nevertheless a magnificent work. Take your pick of his concertos though as they're all fearlessly inventive and interesting to listen to.

    *to get the wonderful purity of sound that's inherent in the writing there's nothing better than performances which are played on baroque instruments (as opposed to their modern equivalents). There are many famous groups who specialise in 'historically informed' performances.


    TLDR: This is fucking brilliant.

  • Saw the BBC Philharmonic at the Bridgewater Hall last night. Bharms and Bartok. Awesome stuff.
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    Heard Gorecki's Symphony No. 3 (2nd part which is used quite a bit to tug at the heartstrings by many). It becomes more effective on realising the words being sung were inspired by the scrawl on a wall of a Gestapo cell. Jesus.

    Followed up by Speigel im Speigel by Arvo Part - was a laugh a minute at my house last night.
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  • Saw the BBC Philharmonic at the Bridgewater Hall last night. Bharms and Bartok. Awesome stuff.
    Was that Bacon Bharms or Sausage Bharms? :)
    They are brilliant; I wasn't doing that gig but I've freelanced with them for many years now. They're one of the most exciting orchestras to work with, even if their workload means that you're at DEFCON 1 all the time.

    I can't abide that Górecki I'm afraid. It's just endlessly, life-sappingly miserable. Spiegel is beautiful though, as is much of Pärt's other stuff too. At least it has a kind of inner radiance that is most definitely missing from Górecki.

    If you like Spiegel, the final movement from Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time (Louange à l'Immortalité de Jésus) is worth listening to. I find it one of the most profoundly beautiful pieces in the entire violin and piano repertoire (though not least because of the immense weight of history behind it).
  • Ha! That's the autocorrected Bhrams (seriously, where's it pulled that from!)

    Thanks igor, I did wonder if you were playing. Would be lovely to catch you performing one day :)

    Thanks so much for the link too. Hours of listening set up now.
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    The only piece of Gorecki I have heard is close to manipulative at the lowest common denominator. It was used by the BBC in their holocaust docu-series , Nazis and the Final Solution. It practically draws out misery from you like a thorn from a wound - not at all subtle, however I will look at the other 2 parts of his 3rd.

    Only piece from Arvo Part I have heard is Spiegel...so will investigate more of that. Will give the Messiaen a listen too.

    Bach Brandenburg on my list too. Thanks.
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  • btw, I posted the Messiaen in part because it articulates a very different response to the suffering of POWs in Nazi-occupied Europe. It was written and first performed in a POW camp in Germany in 1941. Far from depressing or gloomy though, it is an ecstatic vision of a faith that allows one, albeit briefly, to transcend human suffering.
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    My birthday last month and my family raided my Amazon wish list. All a bit obvious and available online but I like CDs and the fact I can rip them for iPod while still having them for my trad hi fi separates.

    Spiegel im Spiegel by Part
    Symphony No. 3 by Gorecki

    enough of the weep porn

    Symphony No. 6 Pastoral by Beethoven
    Clarinet Concerto by Mozart (love the 2nd part of this - Adagio)
    Four Seasons by Vivaldi
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  • Going to the opera at Glyndebourne tomorrow. Have never been to an opera before. Should be interesting. That's as enthusiastic as I can get at the moment.
  • Was going to go to Orchestival but went to buy the tickets and it's been cut from a weekend to a single day but I'll probably still go on that day anyway.

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    God but Mozart's Clarinet Concerto is gorgeous..

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    Going to the opera at Glyndebourne tomorrow. Have never been to an opera before. Should be interesting. That's as enthusiastic as I can get at the moment.

    Surprised myself. Really enjoyed the day. La Finta Giardiniera was probably a reasonable introduction to light fluffy opera. Performances were, to my novice ear, superb. Glyndebourne is a stunning location and the food during the interval was excellent.

  • Glyndebourne (autocorrects to 'fly devoured') is a magnificent way to introduce yourself to opera.

    As an introduction (for children) to classical music, I'd heartily recommend watching Ten Pieces, an initiative which is currently sweeping the nation, spearheaded by the BBC and the marvellous Nicola Benedetti, amongst others.

    More info here.
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    Picked up a copy of Bach's Christmas Oratorio. (Gardiner - so it's Baroque)

    Splendid piece of work - really quite easy to listen to.  There are notes with the disc that help with following what is happening - the vocals for each part are translated to English.
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  • Can't get much more authentic than Gardiner. Excellent recording.
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    The New Year's Day concert from Vienna on BBC as usual. It makes for good hangover TV.

    it's a fairly spectacular venue. Quite a few Japanese in the audience this year.
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  • Ugh. I hate Strauss.
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    Worth it for watching toffs clap to the Radetzky March though….


    Strauss suffers from over exposure I feel.
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  • I hate Strauss too but I can still marvel at the peerless execution.
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    This time of year means St Matthew's Passion

    Listening to this I got a couple of years ago.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bach-Matthew-Passion-Johann-Sebastian/dp/B00E8KC5HY

    What a spectacular piece of music this is.

    @igorgetmeabrain I have been thinking of getting the Gardiner version but I think that will be baroque and maybe similar to what I have. Are there any others with a more modern take you would recommend?
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  • It is indeed an awesome piece.
    Last night I was playing the St John Passion, which is also stunning, so I'd heartily recommend that you check that out too.

    As for recordings, though Gardiner's recording will vary considerably from René Jacobs' in nuances of interpretation, the overall sound and feel of it will likely be similar. I haven't listened to them side-by-side to make an informed comparison but you certainly couldn't go wrong by choosing an excellent modern-instrument recording as a contrast instead.

    Sadly, Harnoncourt's excellent 1985 recording with the Concertgebouw appears tricky to find at present in the UK. Chailly's 2009 recording with the Gewandhousorchester is also critically-acclaimed.

    Personally I'd recommend Rattle's 2013 Berlin PO 'staged' performance, though it's only on DVD afaik. He also recently followed it up with a similar treatment of the John Passion. You can watch online or buy the DVDs here, herehere, and here.
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    Many thanks. Had heard of the Harnoncourt version - also heard one of the pressings suffered from dodgy packaging that damaged the discs.

    Will check out St John's as well.
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  • Oops, I linked you to the wrong Harnoncourt. That one is an older period instrument recording. I can't find the Concertgebouw one at all at present. It was fashionable 50 years ago to use large forces and modern instruments for baroque music, so there were many such recordings from the likes of Karajan, Furtwangler et al, which can sound pretty ugly to contemporary ears, because of the over-indulgent romanticised aesthetic of the time. These days it's relatively rare for such works to be recorded on modern instruments at all (by the elite of the conducting/performing world) so Harnoncourt's performance with the Concertgebouw was a rare departure even for him.
  • The Maiden:

    Pass me by! Oh, pass me by!
    Go, fierce man of bones!
    I am still young! Go, rather,
    And do not touch me.
    And do not touch me.

    Death:

    Give me your hand, you 
    beautiful and tender form!
    I am a friend, and come not to punish.
    Be of good cheer! 
    I am not fierce,
    Softly shall you sleep in my arms!
  • Das lautenwerk ist gut:

  • I love some of the random and bizarre instruments which crackpot inventors have dreamt up over the centuries. My favourite though, has to be Da Vinci's Viola Organista.

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