http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/athletics/7141302.stm

The Pistorius issue was interesting as well. Again, he was capable of running at a very high level and was comparable to the top able bodied runners, but he didn't have race winning pace.

I get that the blades take less energy to use and the reduced vertical movement improves his aerodynamics but on the hand, he doesn't have any lower legs, so idgi, is the IAAF scared that someone who is handicapped might be faster than an able bodied field? Would we see the world's top athletes lining up to get their legs cut off at the knees?

I find the whole recent developments in terms of classifying athlete performance really interesting. I sometimes wonder how interesting stuff like the Olympic games is going to be to general audiences once humanoid machines are able to physically outperform humans as a matter of course.

I'd rather watch a machine run at 100mph on two legs than watch a human shave 0.001 off the 100m WR, to be brutally honest.

FeelsSpeciesTraitor man.

Has anyone here read the CAS decision before weighing in with their tuppence? It's 6 pages long and is incontrovertible.

I think I know the answer

I skim read it, but as a lawyer that's my skill. You should read it properly.

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Has anyone here read the CAS decision before weighing in with their tuppence? It's 6 pages long and is incontrovertible.

I think I know the answer

Spoiler:

you lazy fucks

I understand their ruling, I just don't understand why its being applied now, to someone who is a dominant athlete but does not hold any world records in any if the events she competes in as far as I am aware.

It's like someone said, shit, she got born with internal balls, okay well she needs to be medicated down to a normal testosterone range for a woman.

But what I don't understand is how if she is basically competing like a man, she hasn't blasted the world records in every event she's entered. Are they now going to start testosterone testing every athlete? Can athletes with low natural testosterone levels now start taking extra testosterone and Jack themselves up to the permitted limit?

I mean, should the AELTC test Serena Williams? Or should they have tested Sampras in his ridiculous serving game prime?

Should rugby players from the south Pacific region all be tested?

It seems like the thin end if a very tricky wedge to me, is all im saying. It would be a lot easier if Caster Sermenya had been smashing WRs al over the place, but she hasn't as far as I can find on the ol' internet.

After a quick Google, it appears the scientific study that the ruling was based on, found a particular advantage would be conferred to such an athlete in:

- 400M
- 400M Hurdles
- 800M
- Pole Vaulting
- Hammer Throwing

But... This ban only addresses the track events. Not the field events, in which there is apparently an even greater skew in performance outcomes...

That was the point I was trying to draw attention to.

Does seem like the way forward.

As a note: they will only apply the testosterone rule to people who have XY chromosomes. A woman with XX chromosomes will not be subject to the testosterone limits (although you wonder what happens if some other occurance can cause this).

I think it’s interesting they skate over a lot of stuff which is hard to measure and zone in on the easy thing. The thing is if it was as night follows day that xy chromosome Women were superathetes we’d see more but even in the context of the Indian runner she’s barely hitting top performance in Asian games so I don’t think it really proves it.

Maybe there is some other way to determine the line between female and male competition but I don’t think they really care to really work at it over the most ostensibly easy version.

Roujin wrote:

Has anyone here read the CAS decision before weighing in with their tuppence? It's 6 pages long and is incontrovertible. I think I know the answer

Spoiler:

you lazy fucks

I understand their ruling, I just don't understand why its being applied now, to someone who is a dominant athlete but does not hold any world records in any if the events she competes in as far as I am aware. 
  It would be a lot easier if Caster Sermenya had been smashing WRs al over the place, but she hasn't as far as I can find on the ol' internet.

Well perhaps she’s not actually particularly good at running in the first place and these super manly hormones make her merely very good which is enough to win at the moment but not take any WR’s?

Not actually trying to be flippant there but that kinda puts the whole mess into a perfect little sentence.  There’s no way of knowing what benefits she as an individual has actually gained for use in the world of running fairly fast.

Edit.  But on a compassionate and personal level it’s really fucking shit for her.

This is okay too - transwoman muses 'pon the receipt of a cunt, and then some.

Brooks wrote:

This is okay too - transwoman muses 'pon the receipt of a cunt, and then some.

. listen for the other’s presence, fearing a rival but terrified to be alone

There’s a truth. I mean it’s got a classic Facebook philosopher about it (xxxxxx Y; zzzzzzz the reciprocal of Y) but the sentiment stabs me in the gut.

Humans please stop being so shit at things.

Kids are weird.

What the fuck is that?!

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/youtubes-newest-far-right-foul-mouthed-red-pilling-star-is

So “SOPH” is a thing.