Star Trek - The Bear and Badger

superflyninja

Dinostar77 wrote:

The perpetrator of The Burn could have been a Khan, Borg, Dominion moment. A sinister new enemy. But not its a fucking boring

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manchild

See this Trek isnt about enemies. Its about emotion. I cant wait to hear :

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TNG to my recollection had a playbook. Romulans could cloak, Klingons were bloodthirsty but honorable, Vulcans no emotion etc. The stories then played with those elements and as plots developed it felt....realistic within that world's rules. I have zero idea if anything similar exists for Discovery, things just seem to happen with no real context or explanation.

EvilRedEye

[Sigh.]

Diluted Dante

In this weeks episode, among other things Michael

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Dinostar77

Diluted Dante wrote:

In this weeks episode, among other things Michael

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makes a jump that were it in TNG, only Data would be able to make. Michael is remember, a human.

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RedDave2

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Diluted Dante

Just finished the episode.

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Paul the sparky

RedDave2 wrote:

So... Star trek: Newcastle? To boldly Howay where no one's howayed before?

Lol

*Cries*

Dinostar77

God that was shit. Just end Discovery as a series now.

monkey

I hate this programme.

Dinostar77

Apparently Season 4 will go back to storytelling as done on previous ST shows ala Voyager, TNG, DS9. Fingers crossed it will be an improvement.

monkey

It's beyond saving.

EvilRedEye

Apparently they're installing a Mandalorian-style video wall for Season 4.

It'll still be shit though.

monkey

I don't think I can stomach anymore.

Diluted Dante

EvilRedEye wrote:

Apparently they're installing a Mandalorian-style video wall for Season 4.

What does that mean?

EvilRedEye

A lot of Mandalorian is filmed on a big state-of-the-art LED soundstage - it's a bit like an extention of what George Lucas was trying to do with the CGI sets for the prequel trilogy except it's mainly about making something that looks cinema quality on a TV budget instead of just randomly buggering about with CGI.

Discovery is getting one of these basically. Apparently they can't do location filming cos of Covid so it might be to compensate for that as well.

EvilRedEye

The Mandalorian making of series is literally a better watch than Season 3 of Discovery.

monkey

Imagine getting to write a new season of star trek set in the far future with a ship that can travel anywhere instantly. Then you turn in that bag of arse.

b0r1s

So those robots were good eh? Literally one shot and they were toast and they couldn’t appear to hit shit. If super duper AI asks me again if I need help taking over the ship I’ll just say no thanks.

I’ve made my peace with it being the Burnham show, it is what it is.

But fuck me that stuff on the planet with the man-child. Should have just put a bullet in his head.

But the best was the shit crew who couldn’t take over the ship (thanks AI robots) and were dying by suffocation, so they give the bomb to the deep sea diving lady who then stops to slowly watch them pass out while...

Very

Very

Slowly

Telling them she loves them....

Dinostar77

The crew who no-one knows the names for or all their roles on the ship. They should have all died. Get new crew in.

superflyninja

Genuinely lost for words.

EvilRedEye

Well we've got Lower Decks releasing in a couple of weeks... Let's see if that's any better.

superflyninja

Ok......so.

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1) The sphere data can fit in repair bots? So, the sphere data gone now? Destroyed? The sphere data entity couldnt prevent The Chain from invading the ship's OS?
2) The repair bots were so shit. They literally did nothing to help. At all. Were crap human shields even.
3) After all the talk about detached Nacelles and a plot point is for a crew member to go INTO one of the nacelles. How the fuck did she do that then? The Nacelles are detached by quite some distance. Did the writers forget this?
4) Now Im not super up on Trek tech. But the tubolift space. Its like the fucking tardis. Its this gigantic open space? What the fuck?
5) Gray being able to see outside the holodeck on the ship. He could do it and not be affected by the radiation because he was noncorporeal. THEN HOW THE FUCK DID HE GET OUTSIDE THE HOLODECK?????????????????
6) So a crew member couldnt step outside the holodeck because of radiation and then the manchild just ends the program and everything is fine?
7) Burnham now has super agility and strength to add to her list of amazingness

The Burn. So a fish manchild mutates the ability to link with dilithium after crashing into a planet of the stuff? He gets upset and so sets off a chain reaction of dilithium blowing up? And the PLANET MADE OF DILITHIUM IS FINE??????? Are you fucking kidding me?
9) All this nonsense of the piece of music getting out into the universe and becoming something common to many disparate lifeforms? The fuck was that about?
10) Voyager. So it was mentioned as a nice little chuckle. But how many times did they say it in this episode? Really ramming it home.
11) Saru, a starfleet captain says fuck it Im off home for a while with this manchild, laterz.
12) Why was Voyager, another retrofitted ship from the past the flagship for combat?
13) Osiyra was just a general or something for The Chain, it was clear she reported to others. Yet with her dead The Chain falls apart. Course it does.
I want to give a special mention to the murky darkness of the exterior ship shots. I cannot tell you about a single ship design outside of Discovery. All the visuals were cloaked in darkness. Was Voyager visible? I dont fucking know. Ive got a 4k HDR tv and Ive not got a clue.

Dinostar77

superflyninja wrote:

Ok......so.

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1) The sphere data can fit in repair bots? So, the sphere data gone now? Destroyed? The sphere data entity couldnt prevent The Chain from invading the ship's OS?
2) The repair bots were so shit. They literally did nothing to help. At all. Were crap human shields even.
3) After all the talk about detached Nacelles and a plot point is for a crew member to go INTO one of the nacelles. How the fuck did she do that then? The Nacelles are detached by quite some distance. Did the writers forget this?
4) Now Im not super up on Trek tech. But the tubolift space. Its like the fucking tardis. Its this gigantic open space? What the fuck?
5) Gray being able to see outside the holodeck on the ship. He could do it and not be affected by the radiation because he was noncorporeal. THEN HOW THE FUCK DID HE GET OUTSIDE THE HOLODECK?????????????????
6) So a crew member couldnt step outside the holodeck because of radiation and then the manchild just ends the program and everything is fine?
7) Burnham now has super agility and strength to add to her list of amazingness
The Burn. So a fish manchild mutates the ability to link with dilithium after crashing into a planet of the stuff? He gets upset and so sets off a chain reaction of dilithium blowing up? And the PLANET MADE OF DILITHIUM IS FINE??????? Are you fucking kidding me?
9) All this nonsense of the piece of music getting out into the universe and becoming something common to many disparate lifeforms? The fuck was that about?
10) Voyager. So it was mentioned as a nice little chuckle. But how many times did they say it in this episode? Really ramming it home.
11) Saru, a starfleet captain says fuck it Im off home for a while with this manchild, laterz.
12) Why was Voyager, another retrofitted ship from the past the flagship for combat?
13) Osiyra was just a general or something for The Chain, it was clear she reported to others. Yet with her dead The Chain falls apart. Course it does.
I want to give a special mention to the murky darkness of the exterior ship shots. I cannot tell you about a single ship design outside of Discovery. All the visuals were cloaked in darkness. Was Voyager visible? I dont fucking know. Ive got a 4k HDR tv and Ive not got a clue.

Lol. All valid points. Try not to think about it too hard its a mess.

For me the most interesting thing in the two parter was when Vance mentioned Deep Space 255. A starbase that hadnt been visited in 85 years or something but has been trading with the Mercantile exchange. Now that could be interesting to see if the starbase still uploads "federation" values or has a starfleet core of staff. Or has 85 years without contact to the rest of the federation changed it beyond recognition? There are threads they can pull that could develop into good storylines for season 4.

An update 900 years later on the Klingons, Borg etc would be nice. Even just a mention.

EvilRedEye

The Voyager in Discovery is something like the Voyager-J or something like that, it's not the same ship or class, just vaguely inspired by the original.

Other than that, I had lots of similar thoughts while watching.

Tempy

I started watching TNG again last night (skipped all of S1 after Farpoint)

You guys are sure having fun with Disco eh.

poprock

I enjoyed it, even the ending. Big dumb space serial was big and dumb. Annoying characters were annoying. Fun characters were fun. The effects were good. Things went bang.

superflyninja

EvilRedEye wrote:

The Voyager in Discovery is something like the Voyager-J or something like that, it's not the same ship or class, just vaguely inspired by the original. Other than that, I had lots of similar thoughts while watching.

Ohhhhhh I thought it was Janeway's Voyager. Because :

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Tempy

Not what I’m after from Star Trek though, really. I want a mm episode where all that happens is nothing.

superflyninja

Tempy wrote:

Not what I’m after from Star Trek though, really. I want a mm episode where all that happens is nothing.

A Seinfeld Trek spinoff would be outstanding.

EvilRedEye

I don't think the Star Trek setting is quite as coherent and well-realised as some fans like to make out but at the same time, prior to 2009 it usually did a reasonable job of conveying that the stories were grounded in our real world, albeit the future of it, and didn't take extreme liberties with the military-esque structure of the starship or starbase settings.

Post-2009, suddenly the franchise has become an incoherent mess where action is incoherently strung together to more action, nothing seems to have any meaning and there is not even the illusion of taking place in a coherent, realistic setting where cause follows the effect. And I see people in various places online saying "Oh, it's always just been a bit of fun!!" etc. but it never was really, before 2009.

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