i'm sure this has always been part of PES, but maybe i just imagine it, but do they 'fix' the replays so everything looks better, in terms of ball collisions and animations, and speed of shots etc?
as an example, you score a header, but in the moment the ball is 'headed' goalwards when you press the button, but the actual player animation is behind the play...then in the replay he seems to meet the header perfect?
also i find shooting in this seems a bit powder puff, the ball just seems to float off at the same pace regardless of power and distance etc, the keeper waits a while then dives and flaps at it...but then in the replays it all seems a bit more dramatic...

I played 2011 to death against a mate online, then bought 2012 and only played it once (probably more due to Trials than the game being poor).  I'm always optimistic about Pro Evo though, so I'm sure I'll buy this at some point.  Just finished downloading the demo.

Now I'm having visions of enough of us buying it to for a league or have a knockout competition going like the Trials Evolution thread. 

I've got to stop myself and remember how shit the online modes for the last one were.

i would be on PS3 if i get it.  do they still have that 'clubs-lite' online mode where up to 4 people play on the same team, getting points for passing to each other and scoring etc?

also, i think the thing i'm particularly loving about this is holding R2 when you recieve the ball, turning to face defender, still holding R2, you move about for a bit quick footed trickery, defender dives in as you slip past and hit sprint... it may be a bit too easy for some, but i think it looks and feels much more like real dribbling and taking people on, rather than 'hold trick button, enter convoluted trick routine, watch as player performs super trick 6, resume control at outcome...'

RamSteelwood wrote:

, but i think it looks and feels much more like real dribbling and taking people on, rather than 'hold trick button, enter convoluted trick routine, watch as player performs super trick 6, resume control at outcome...'

Amen to that. I hate the FIFA trick system. I'm sure people get amazing results out of it but it doesnt feel natural and I could never use it instinctively bar knock-ons.

Havent really enjoyed a footie game (PES or FIFA) since PES 6 on the ps2 so I have the old fingers crossed.

if everyone is enjoying this, do we dare to dream about the final game?
here's some things i need from this PES

MASTER LEAGUE - Master League should NOT be a football management sim...i always thought of it more like a footy RPG, where you basically grind to get points to either spend on better players, or grind to improve the ones you've already got.  it's about moulding your own personal team, not pretending to be manager of Real Madrid

PRO/LEGEND MODE - i haven't played the mode for a few years so not sure where it's at, but it needs to be about playing footy and NOT shopping for ear rings etc.  also being rewarded for playing well even if you don't score goals would be nice.  and being told what position you're playing if the formation changes.  and being able to skip bits of the game if you're sub(bed).

ONLINE CLUBS - doesn't need to be 11v11 like FIFA (especially as human keepers ruin it), but being able to make a team with a few mates using your 'pros' with the AI playing the other players, to play against other teams with individuals in is the best part of FIFA for me...even a stripped down version could help seal the deal for me.

CELEBRATIONS - this is about the only FIFA 'gimmick' I've ever wanted PES to rip off, and i'm surprised they haven't (and don't expect it to be in this years version since not in demo)...but i quite like being able to run around like a loon after scoring instead of the pre-canned routine.

HAIR - another one not for this year, but they should have left the player models at the level they were in the PS2 era, and used all the extra graphics horsepower on modelling realistic hair!   all the best players have mullets or long hair, and it should be flapping in the breeze and bouncing about as they twist and turn, rather than looking like a hair coloured helmet made from cardboard...

PES4 was the last one I really played, and I played the Master League a lot. There's a few fixes I'd like to see for me to ever go back. First would be getting rid of the preseason training snore fest - just make stat increases automatic - and then making the transfers more believable. Other teams would hardly ever come in for my players and if I sold them they'd fetch massive fees. Too easy to build up a huge bank balance and get anyone you wanted. Oh yeah, there was also a thing where some players would peak at age 22 and go downhill quickly from there - at that point they'd obviously decided C. Ronaldo wasn't going anywhere and he was shit by about 26. And then there was the injury rating, which jumped from A - almost never gets injured, to B - spends about half of every season injured.

Obviously some of these might already have been sorted, but I wouldn't know.

I still really like this.

BUT my game has lots of lag/slow down (I play on Xbox Elite) yet it runs fine on my brother's 360 S, and also on my friend's machine (also a 360 S).

Is me box fucked?

Ah That's good to know, cheers Paul

Don't believe the hype.

adored wrote:

Hype or not, think I'll have to buy this bugger day 1.

Same here, if it's anything like the demo.

It will be the first PES I've bought since the awful PES 6 on the 360.

@kestla  how long have you been a PES fan for?

i just ask cos it seems odd to me that you would stick with through the years of getting progressively worse, to then ditch it after the last release changed the master league online in a way you didn't like...especially as i would think the majority of people that would say 'i used to love PES but then i moved to FIFA' probably did so before the master league online stuff really even happened...

kestla wrote:

Who the fuck cares about collecting cards?

Also, hello.

I used to play Pro Evo all the time.  Playing this demo was like visiting an elderly relative to find they've succumbed to Alzheimer's.

The animations are swampy, floaty, and somehow behind time.  The sound is muffled yet staccato, and significantly behind time.  The whole experience is like playing through treacle.  I'm all for a slower more considered pace (FIFA can be a bit zippy and end-to-end) but the answer is not to fog everything into a diazepam/nitrazepam stupor.  The graphics are N64 hazy in play, 100Hz soap-opera effect crispy everywhere else.  The menus still make it feel like a poorly translated game by people who once overheard a conversation about football on an overcrowded bus.

I seriously don't know what the fuck some of you are thinking.

The demos are always technical monstrosities compared to the final product - animations, lag, speed of the game, controls. It's not able to compete with FIFA anymore on the look and feel of the game but it'll be nothing like as bad once the final release rolls out.  

The menus are, and have always been, a labyrinthian nightmare.