HL2 felt mysterious to me and that's why I loved it.

I think I'll give Dark Souls a button press or two then.

FranticPea wrote:

I'm not sure you could say it was 'another generic FPS' at the time it was released though.

I can and I have.

I generally don't care for FPS games, but every review I read and every person I spoke to said it was great, so I installed it and I can honestly say the only good part is the opening segment. After that it was just like every other FPS.

I have both Dark and Demons, should really play them.

I've never played Dark Souls or Demon Souls. I feel i should but i have so little time for gaming that it seems like the daftest game to buy ever.

tigerswiftly wrote:

davyK wrote:

Playing a game until it offers up something worth sticking at sounds an awful lot like work. Life is too short frankly. If a game doesn't grip an individual then it fails for that individual.

True, but that's not at all what I was suggesting!

Reg, I wasn't aware that you'd played further than that. As far as I knew, you'd stopped playing at the Metal Boar. Which would be absolutely fine of course, but if so you genuinely wouldn't have seen a shade of what the game has to offer and wouldn't be in any place to say the game is either "definitely not this" or "definitely the best thing ever since ever".

Saying a game isn't for you, or you don't like whatever aspect about it, is absolutely fine of course. Judging an RPG as a whole after 30 minutes wouldn't be, IMNSHO.

That's what puts me off RPGs I guess - by the time I go back to them I can't remember where I am etc...even the quite linear Zelda games leave me like that.....

hylian_elf wrote:

I haven't had a Sony thing since PS1, so everything on PS2. ..

Guessing you played Okami on Wii, then? Did motion controls feel ok on it?

Yeah, they were pretty well suited really. Obviously I don't know how well they worked in the original version, but I'm not sure how using a pad would be better than drawing stuff using the wand pointer.

RE: Dark Souls - it requires an adjustment in approach from just about every other current game out there, and you either embrace that or you don't. If you do, it's incredibly rewarding.

Minecraft.

Not played the Batmans also. 

@reg you get Okami HD iI'll get SotC HD. 

Is there a just given up on Fred?

You should definately give the Batman games a go. 
Not everyone likes them which I understand but they are well worth putting a couple of hours in to find out.

regmcfly wrote:

I want a tutorial. Sue me. Civilization 5 has a great tutorial and X times more depth than anything else I've played in the past few years.actually, I kind of just want to go play Civ again...

The tutorial for Souls is the community, either via the orange soapstone messages in the actual or on various forums/wikis etc. They made a game and let the community solve/play it. Ever get stuck, just post a question and you'll get a ton of hints and tips, that was part of Demon's Souls appeal for me.

In terms of game form, everything was explained pretty clearly bar the online system, but the mystery of that was part of the appeal of it, it was so much more than 'join lobby search for x yadda yadda'.

Bonfires were where you went to you when you died, as evinced by returning to them when you died, there is nothing more to them than that, they are just checkpoints to divide the game up. As for saving etc, the game says right at the start "when this sign shows the game is being saved" except in Dark Souls it actually means something, cos god knows I skipped it before realising that, as I'm so used to seeing it in every chuffing game ever at the moment, but rarely means shit.

It's one of the few games that looks utterly obfuscating, but just sitting and looking at stuff in front of you really does help, everything is there without the need for laborious tutorials, it just takes a little bit of effort on the players part, which can be frustrating at times, but I felt it made me 'learn' better than any tutorial.

Not that it is a game for everyone, at all, and I totally agree with the idea of a more subtle learning curve etc but for someone who gets so frothy over Nintendo, great games design, different stuff like Binary Domain, and all the other stuff you love, you really, really, really should try and finish it one day, as it is 1) wonderfully different 2) brilliantly designed 3) a great challenge to tackle.

Y'know, leave it 5 months or 5 years, but do it, I'm pretty sure you won't regret it if you do.

Or you won't, but c'est la vie. Gimme a solitary hour on it with a fresh build at Regstock and i'll show you like, in the flesh, how it just kinda becomes this thing in your hands to play with, like a proper 'game'. I dunno, wooly term, but I just reckon you can get something out of it and that there is a lot of vociferous and elitist opinion putting you off. I just wanna share the love. I WANNA SHARE. OPEN YOUR GOB H I WILL PUT IT IN. Wait.

Edit: I've desperately tried not be cunty and say you are wrong, or you are playing it wrong or it is the second coming (it isn't, but it is a damn fine game) because I don't believe you are wrong or anything as obviously, OPINIONS. We just tend to agree on a fair bit and although I don't have the hectic life you do it is still very rare for me to put more than 30 hours into a game these days, but DkS has clocked up over 100 hours of my time on two different formats, and there is still stuff to do, so I just genuinely feel there is something there for you, whenever you get around to it.

I honestly can't think of any BIG games that I haven't played. Everything is so accessible now so no one has any excuse not to have played any pre-2000 classics, they've all been remade, re-released or have become available via questionable means.

Still wish I'd played Vib Ribbon and System Shock 2 which, I think, both had a pretty limited release. Oh and I need to get around to playing Bastion.

afgavinstan wrote:

Minecraft.

Tried it for the first time last week. Bloody boring. Really don't get it. It's virtual lego without the charm.

I also played Angry Birds, finally, this week. Is that it? Is that the game the casual masses have been going mad for? Did I miss something? You ping birds at pigs? That's all?

Ali wrote:

afgavinstan wrote:

Minecraft.

Tried it for the first time lasti week. Bloody boring. Really don't get it. It's virtual lego without the charm.

I also played Angry Birds, finally, this week. Is that it? Is that the game the casual masses have been going mad for? Did I miss something? You ping birds at pigs? That's all?

Yeah I never understood the AB hype.

Tempy's eulogy to Reg was moving.

My sentiments exactly, if ever there was a game worth getting over the hump with it's DS.