Good day fellow curious gentlemen.
Ill need to word this carefully. But what are we making of the mainstream media in the US of A these days?

Id like to say that I dont lean in any particular direction politically, Biden and Trump are just two old men. One with the skintone of that bloke from the Tangerine ad. I would also like to add that I have some unique experience of being in possession of facts that were suppressed and are still being suppressed and ignored to this day. Ive seen first hand, people refusing to read evidence that was presented in court (the case was won), instead preferring to accept the word of the opposition because it meant they could stick their heads in the sand and carry on. It amazed me at the time that such evidence and articles appearing in national newspapers backing us up were just ignored.

And so I have been listening to a bit of ol Ben Shapiro and Tim Pool lately due to a dearth of interesting podcasts. (Though Mysterious Universe is awesome as always)
Now neither of these blokes (especially Ben "I hate the WAP" Shapiro) strike me as particularly conspiratorial but what they have been calling out in the media is rather....interesting and reminiscent of the case I mentioned earlier. Correct me if Im wrong but Biden's son's laptop,( according to the likes of Shapiro at least) the information has been verified as being authentic yet the mainstream media refuse to ask serious questions about it. Had the laptop been released by Biden against Trump I think its pretty obvious how the media would have reacted.

Considering the general atmosphere out there, I would again like to clarify that Im not pro Trump, Im not anti-Trump either, Ive not read up enough about him to form an opinion. But what I am curious about is the apparent easy ride the democrats are getting in the media. For example that Glenn Greenwald fella resigning from his own website when it censored him ( I think he wrote about the Biden laptop).
Im sure many of you guys are much better informed than I am. Do you think are Ben Shapiro and Tim Pool correct that RussiaGate was an illegal investigation by the democrats that resulted in no evidence against Trump? Can the mainstream media and the likes of Facebook and Twitter be trusted anymore?
Also, the democrats clearly have pulled out all the stops to get Trump out and have been desperate to get Trump out. Is he really that bad? Or is there another reason they want him out?

Im asking here because Im sure if I even ask this in the politics thread Ill get labelled a moronic, alt right fascist, women-hating nazi racist  

Ive not worded this quite right...I dont have time. I may later.

Tempy wrote:

...and be gish galloping morons....

For reference superfly: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Hunter Biden took his personal laptop (with a Biden sticker on it), containing highly sensitive data - all on the desktop, not even hidden, some of which was evidence of Democrat meddling and according to Alex Jones kiddy porn too, to a small computer shop run by a huge Trump fan, told the guy his real name and gave his real email address, and left the laptop there to have data retrieved. He then left and never returned. Sounds legit alright.

Wow

poprock wrote:

Do you think are Ben Shapiro and Tim Pool correct that RussiaGate was an illegal investigation by the democrats that resulted in no evidence against Trump?

No.

Can the mainstream media and the likes of Facebook and Twitter be trusted anymore?

They can never be blindly trusted and never should have been. Nothing has changed. Use your standard-issue bullshit detector.

Also, the democrats clearly have pulled out all the stops to get Trump out and have been desperate to get Trump out. Is he really that bad?

Yes, his is really that bad.

Or is there another reason they want him out?

Ah, here’s the rub. You think there’s some secret reason ‘they’ (who are ‘they’, by the way, in this context?) want rid of Trump. Because a conspiracy would make more sense than basic human decency. Wanting to democratically oust a dangerous, unstable narcissist from the highest position of power in the world isn’t enough? Okay. I suggest that you stop dancing around it and share your conspiracy theory with us.

No of course never blindy trust media, its just a question of how much trust (if any) to put in them.

The they want him out bit was for laffs, we are in a conspiracy thread. 

I don't have a theory, I'm basically seeing two polar opposite views and my personal experience has primed me to view stuff like Russiagate in a different light. Ie facts(according to shapiro etc)  show it was bullshit but the popular majority ignore and claim its real. Again I don't know what is true or not. Correct me if Im wrong but this Russiagate stuff, but Trump wasn't found guilty of anything?  Or are there questions about the courts decision?

The story goes though about Hunter Biden that Joe was getting a cut.

@Tempy wow so Poole and Shapiro are of a level with Alex Jones? If true they hide it nicely. Ive not heard them mention lizard people once. In seriousness though why put them on that level?

Watch the video I posted for an answer to that question. Edit - at Superfly, although the selling houses thing does come up in the video

Trump was aquitted by a partisan Senate, not a court. The Muller report essentially said "I can't prosecute him for the sole reason that he's the President, but if he weren't the President I would."

With Hunter Biden, there are enough holes in the laptop story that we could market it as a new English cheese, but regardless, the most it could manage is to make Hunter Biden look Dodgy, and didn't tie anything to Joe.

superflyninja wrote:

Good day fellow curious gentlemen.
Ill need to word this carefully. But what are we making of the mainstream media in the US of A these days?

Id like to say that I dont lean in any particular direction politically, Biden and Trump are just two old men. One with the skintone of that bloke from the Tangerine ad. I would also like to add that I have some unique experience of being in possession of facts that were suppressed and are still being suppressed and ignored to this day. Ive seen first hand, people refusing to read evidence that was presented in court (the case was won), instead preferring to accept the word of the opposition because it meant they could stick their heads in the sand and carry on. It amazed me at the time that such evidence and articles appearing in national newspapers backing us up were just ignored.

And so I have been listening to a bit of ol Ben Shapiro and Tim Pool lately due to a dearth of interesting podcasts. (Though Mysterious Universe is awesome as always)
Now neither of these blokes (especially Ben "I hate the WAP" Shapiro) strike me as particularly conspiratorial but what they have been calling out in the media is rather....interesting and reminiscent of the case I mentioned earlier. Correct me if Im wrong but Biden's son's laptop,( according to the likes of Shapiro at least) the information has been verified as being authentic yet the mainstream media refuse to ask serious questions about it. Had the laptop been released by Biden against Trump I think its pretty obvious how the media would have reacted.

Considering the general atmosphere out there, I would again like to clarify that Im not pro Trump, Im not anti-Trump either, Ive not read up enough about him to form an opinion. But what I am curious about is the apparent easy ride the democrats are getting in the media. For example that Glenn Greenwald fella resigning from his own website when it censored him ( I think he wrote about the Biden laptop).
Im sure many of you guys are much better informed than I am. Do you think are Ben Shapiro and Tim Pool correct that RussiaGate was an illegal investigation by the democrats that resulted in no evidence against Trump? Can the mainstream media and the likes of Facebook and Twitter be trusted anymore?
Also, the democrats clearly have pulled out all the stops to get Trump out and have been desperate to get Trump out. Is he really that bad? Or is there another reason they want him out?

Im asking here because Im sure if I even ask this in the politics thread Ill get labelled a moronic, alt right fascist, women-hating nazi racist  

Ive not worded this quite right...I dont have time. I may later.

The algorithm strikes again.

I know Ben Shapiro is suspect, etc. But Tim Pool is a gateway to the alt right. It's just business to him but it's not funny to me to see actual good people ensnared. Keep your eyes well open, ninja.

I don't mean to be condescending with the use of the phrase handholding, I just think you can quite easily find the stuff that pokes holes in these guys with out much guidance.

Re lizards. I find David Icke really rather interesting. I am sympathetic to his suspicions of who is in charge and how the media can imprint a set of beliefs. That is quiet interesting, as are his propositions of how layers of perception can easily blind us to truths.

He then somehow makes perceptual leaps to world leaders being multi-dimensional beings that drink children's blood - the image of the Queen Mother as an ancient malignant albino creature is bizarre to say the least. If he really does believe that I wonder how he sleeps at night.

heh.

I rarely post in this thread or about stuff like this because there are way more intelligent people than me on here who can argue better.

But! Reading through some of that guys article and the emails he published, it's clear his editors wouldn't publish the article because all the stuff he wrote about hunter Biden had no basis in fact at all and he could provide none. So why even give it the time of day?

Alex Jones was on Rogan again just before the elections. His idea was that Trump would win but that then the Democrats would use every legal process they could to try and take that away, miring the country in a hellish state of confusion until the inauguration in January. It seems to have passed him by that it's been exactly the reverse and he's moved on to the election fraud theory without comment. Which is a general thing with conspiracy types- whatever fits in the moment, then discard and move on, towards whatever is your preconceived finale.

MattyJ wrote:

I rarely post in this thread or about stuff like this because there are way more intelligent people than me on here who can argue better. But! Reading through some of that guys article and the emails he published, it's clear his editors wouldn't publish the article because all the stuff he wrote about hunter Biden had no basis in fact at all and he could provide none. So why even give it the time of day?

 

And

Diluted Dante wrote:

The laptop is held by Rudy Guilliani, which should be a huge red flag for anyone, and he won't allow people to properly verify the contents.

All I can say, is that the worst stories we had from Obama vs Romney, was a dead dog, and a birth certificate, iirc.
If a politician is honest enough, then certain tactics just won't work.

Hillary Clinton fucked up too. It was just a shame for us all, that it was in favour of Trump.

Yo seem to be saying that you subscribe to the theory "no smoke without fire". So as long as one side is creating smoke about the other side you'll assume there's fire.

Ignore baseless claims yes, ignore things based on fact no