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Bob

Jaco wrote:

Re: Darth Maul:

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It’s canon mate. He was rescued and patched up with cyborg legs after the events of Ep1, but it’s not mentioned in the films. He reappeared in the Clone Wars series and in Star Wars Rebels (where he finally dies by Obi Wan’s hand.

Lol. I'd fire it out of canon attached to g.

monkey

Jaco wrote:

Re: Darth Maul:

Spoiler:

It’s canon mate. He was rescued and patched up with cyborg legs after the events of Ep1, but it’s not mentioned in the films. He reappeared in the Clone Wars series and in Star Wars Rebels (where he finally dies by Obi Wan’s hand.

Canon doesn’t mean anything, it’s still absurd. See Phil Coulson in the Avengers films. He’s not dead anymore but stays out of all the films because cinema audiences saw him die.

RamSteelwood

Yeah, that doesn't really make things any better for me Jaco.

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Bob

RamSteelwood wrote:

Yeah, that doesn't really make things any better for me Jaco.

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However, if it turns out that Luke is still alive according to a canon story on the back of a cereal box somewhere and will therefore be in ep 9, I'm happy to be a hypocrite about this!

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Plus, I generally dislike it in films/TV where they pull that switch at the end, where it's like "wahay, the bad guy has been defeated....oh wait, it turns out he was just working for an even bigger bad guy!"...and if they really had to do this, surely Jabba (or another Hutt) would have made more sense.

surely he's going to be a

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Armitage_Shankburn

Digitally realised ala hayden, to fuck with Hammill for talking out of school and ignoring that 75 page "lines to take" briefing when doing press for TLJ

RamSteelwood

Bob wrote:

RamSteelwood wrote:

Yeah, that doesn't really make things any better for me Jaco.

Spoiler:

However, if it turns out that Luke is still alive according to a canon story on the back of a cereal box somewhere and will therefore be in ep 9, I'm happy to be a hypocrite about this!

Spoiler:

Plus, I generally dislike it in films/TV where they pull that switch at the end, where it's like "wahay, the bad guy has been defeated....oh wait, it turns out he was just working for an even bigger bad guy!"...and if they really had to do this, surely Jabba (or another Hutt) would have made more sense.

surely he's going to be a

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force ghost a la ben and yoda

well yeah.

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ShabbyMcCrabby

From an interview I heard with Ron Howard they really didn't know who would be in the communication at the ends till very close to finishing the film. So it's not like it was their intension all along. It just seems like the studio probably wanted more fan service.

It was also interesting to find out Paul Bettany wasn't the original villain. It was supposed to be a CG thing I think that was acted by another guy. And that guy wasn't available to do the reshoots so they had to recast and rewrite the villain. I thought Paul did a pretty good job.

bad_hair_day

Kenobi only cut Maul’s legs off? What a crock.

poprock

They’re magic space wizards. I’m sure they can fix a pissy little problem like being cut in half.

Scout

ShabbyMcCrabby wrote:

From an interview I heard with Ron Howard they really didn't know who would be in the communication at the ends till very close to finishing the film. So it's not like it was their intension all along. It just seems like the studio probably wanted more fan service. It was also interesting to find out Paul Bettany wasn't the original villain. It was supposed to be a CG thing I think that was acted by another guy. And that guy wasn't available to do the reshoots so they had to recast and rewrite the villain. I thought Paul did a pretty good job.

It was originally Michael K Williams (Omar from the Wire) in the role. Which sounds like it could have been awesome. But seems like they weren't too keen so decided to scrap the CG angle and that point he wasn't available so Bettany stepped in.

Blocks100

poprock wrote:

They’re magic space wizards. I’m sure they can fix a pissy little problem like being cut in half.

Wait, does that mean Snork or Snoke or wotevar his name was is going to come back also. In a big scene in the next Star Wars film? : Enters on comedic-high level stilts "IT'S ME, SNOSKE! I'M BACK AND I'M PISSED!'

LivDiv

Ref Maul.
I'm not so fussed about a character coming back, but why Maul?
He was makeup and a fancy pants lightsaber. Can you really resurrect a character if they lacked character in the first place?

EvilRedEye

He was brought back for an animated series set between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith so they would have been looking for prequel touchpoints to mine.

Blocks100

Rolls a D20 (-D6 evil alignment penalty) Fails to Resurrect.

LivDiv

EvilRedEye wrote:

He was brought back for an animated series set between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith so they would have been looking for prequel touchpoints to mine.

Leave him there.

EvilRedEye

I agree with that actually, it was a weird thing to bring over to the movies.

Yossarian

I just assumed that scene took place before he was bisected.

bad_hair_day

Obi Wan was on L plates.

LivDiv

Nah, theres about 20 years between Ep1 and Solo.

Blocks100

Note to all Jedi out there, next time you light saber a Sith in half, don't chop 'em at the waist but bisect from the head down.

LivDiv

Maul: Baddie. Fell down a hole. Not dead.
Boba Fett: Baddie. Fell down a hole. Not dead.
Emperor: Baddie. Fell down a hole. Dead.
Vader: Goodie at the time. Fell down a hole. Dead.
Mace Windu: Goodie. Fell out a window. Dead.
Qui Gon Jinn. Goodie. Did NOT fall down a hole. Dead.
Obi Wan. Goodie. Did NOT fall down a hole. Dead.
Han Solo. Goodie. Fell down a hole. Dead.
Luke Skywalker. Goodie. Fell into a Rancor pit and a Bespin tube. Survived but now dead.
Death Star 1. Baddie. Shot in it's hole. Dead.
Yoda. Goodie. Fell asleep. Dead.

I hope Episode 9 finally wraps all this up. They've really written themselves into a corner.

RedDave2

Death Star 1. Baddie. Shot in it's hole. Dead.
.

Why no death star 2? Is it because it's a different hole?

LivDiv

More of a core than a hole.

poprock

Now you’re just being crude.

superflyninja

I agree Ram. Solo works as its own thing. That Han is not my childhood Han.
I quite liked Bettany actually.
But Lando's sexbot irritated me terribly.

hylian_elf

LivDiv wrote:

Boba Fett: Baddie. Fell down a hole. Not dead.

What madness is this?! Don’t tell me it’s more of this canon comics books and cartoons shite!

LivDiv

Has been for a long time.
Lucas knows you don't kill off a cash cow that easy.

Although in Disney World I think he is dead/MIA

hylian_elf

Never really delved into non-film stuff so I’m oblivious to it all. If I had time I suppose I’d look into them. On that note...

Good book recommendations please.

(I liked KotoR game’s story, but it’s probably not canon but who cares, it was great)

LivDiv

The Thrawn trilogy and Thrawn itself are supposed to be some of the best.
I started on Thrawn having not read the others as it's his origin story. It is ok. Decent Star Wars junk but not what I would call a good book in comparison to actual books for real people.

Shadows of the Empire sits between Empire and Jedi. Suffers the same as Thrawn for me only a bit worse. It's hard to care about the plight of the characters knowing it is just a holding pattern of a story.

There is also Aftermath and the run following it that fills the gaps between RotJ and FA. Apparently thte first is a weird read but after that they are better, they are also cannon.

Bob

superflyninja wrote:

I agree Ram. Solo works as its own thing. That Han is not my childhood Han. I quite liked Bettany actually. But Lando's sexbot irritated me terribly.

It can’t work as it’s own thing that’s the whole fucking point. It’s subtitled a Star Wars story not a story,

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