Dude, too far.

All apart from Episode 1 though, right? Otherwise we can't be friends.

I honestly think The Phantom Menace is the best of the prequel trilogy just because the technology wasn't there yet to allow it to become an endless CGI sloggathon.

The prequels were bad.very bad.
but I'm in Davy's camp here.they had SOME good elements. I too liked McGregor,I liked maul. I liked count drac....count dooku.
I found nothing to latch onto in TLJ. What once were decent characters,now turned into cunts for the most part.

Also know what the prequels offered that these sequels dont?
Some sort of contiuity. Three movies forming a trilogy to tell one overarching story.

RedDave2 wrote:

Still can't understand why last Jedi is seen as the film which broke star wars when there are the three pieces of pure drivel known as the prequels out there.

i think it's poss easier to separate the prequels from the original trilogy because it's not really about the 'main' characters. the new films promised to bring back the old heroes.
for me, star wars is the adventures of Luke Skywalker. so TLJ being effectively the sequel and the end of that, is more 'damaging' (for me) to that overall story.

Also, i agree that ep 1 is the 'best' (or more accurately, most tolerable) of the prequels.

My favourite was the HYPE TRAIN leading up to Ep1. Much more fun than the actual movie turned out to be.

regmcfly wrote:

Davy's post is wild. I actually prefer episode 1 to 2, because that second becomes far too bloated, self indulgent, and Lucas genuinely wants to do some of the tricks of his contemporaries, such as telling a love story. 2 is the real garbage fire and this hatred for 8 is wild

You know what? I'll give 1 a watch over the weekend. Has been a long time....

I don't think it's on the BR but it is on the official YouTube.

Well. Watched Ep.1 again for the 1st time in ages.

Have to agree with @EvilRedEye - it looks better than the other two. It looks gorgeous actually. The Naboo design helps that out but its use of more real locations helps it a great deal.

Neeson was great. A full film of Neeson and McGregor would have been splendid.

The pod race is great fun but a bit too long (I think the disc version of the race is longer than the theatrical version) and the space hijinks toward the end look great too.

The big battle does have that War & Peace thing that Lucas was looking for. Once the action starts in this film it is rather good. 

The 3 way light sabre fight is superb. As I said before - best ever fight in all of them. What a shame we lost Maul.

But the main problem is the weight of its seriousness which sci fi just can't do - or at least can't maintain throughout a film. SW is hokum and that was forgot about.

Also there is just too much in the film.

The underwater sequence - didn't need 2 creature encounters - they are even resolved in the same way. One would have been enough.

During the pod race - didn't need the 2 repair sequences - one would have been enough.

Lucas just had too much he liked and it needed a strong will to chop the stuff that wasn't needed. There is a good film in there somewhere but it would have needed more discipline and less resources to bring it out. I don't think an editor could save it.

Narratively it didn't move as slowly as I remember - there's just too much to get through. It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be though. It had to tell how Anniken is found and how Palpatine gets to be Chancellor and it does that - just a mite contrived with Lucas trying to be more grown up instead of more Flash Gordon.

Hate the exposition about midichlorians - we just didn't need that in the SW universe.

Jar Jar was annoying but not quite as much as I remembered. A bit less of him and more ear friendly linguistics would have helped. i can see what Lucas was doing in creating a full CGI character and maybe that went into the design. Still annoying.

The wee lad wasn't as annoying as I remember either. Some scenes are wooden but others aren't. When he is having fun (e.g. in the fighter) it's more agreeable.

Too much money in the bank doesn't help creativity. And these films are proof of that.

If I was gonna remake the prequels I think I'd rework The Phantom Menace into the Episode 0/prelude film it seems it was meant to be under Lucas' original scheme and do a new Clone Wars trilogy. It's the least fundamentally rotten and you could just about make Ewan McGregor work as slightly older Obi-Wan at this point.

davyK wrote:

Will move onto Ep3 tonight. I'm of the opinion that these could have been compressed into two films and they would have been rip roaring.

They could also just not have done them at all. Really, they add nothing to the original star wars trilogy and only did harm in my opinion. A single prequel movie might have worked.

The prequels could have been ok as a trilogy with a few tweaks. Have Anakin start off as a young man, already an ace pilot (none of this "oops I saved the universe" shite from the end of Ep 1). Make him from some war-torn world where he's been fighting his whole life but he's still basically a good guy. That would give him some backstory on wanting to bring peace to the glaxy through order rather than airy fairy Jedi bullshit. The Jedi take him in because he's too powerful to be left unchecked. Turn him into Vader (but still human) at the end of Episode 2 so it's like the dark Empire ending (it's like poetry, it rhymes!). Then Episode 3 is some sort of score draw where the rebels survive and cripple the Empire so it takes them a couple of decades to get back to where they are at the start of ANH, and Vader gets fucked up and turned into robo-Vader. 

New Anakin actor needed. New director. Less tedious conversations in corridors and meeting rooms. And Darth Jar Jar is now canon. Trilogy fixed.

I have a mancrush on poprock.

davyK wrote:

I liked the Matrix sequels too.

The Matrix sequels are among the worst films I have ever seen.

Mostly try and avoid them. But I did once upon a time go and see Freddy vs Jason in the cinema. I blame my mate.