It’s not that it’s not Shakespeare, it’s that it’s not even Eastenders.

Nope. Games are shit at telling stories.

Edit: Although Halo than this does.

*sheugs*

People used to say that about books. Some still do.

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People used to say that about books. Some still do.

You what now?

To say one artform is less expessive than another is odd. We had this years back with the "Are games art?". Of course they are you fucking lunatic. If you think they're 'less suited' that's your problem.

Less expressive are your words. I’m saying that certain mediums are better at expressing certain things than other ones. I don’t think that’s particularly controversial.

Games do world-building better than any other medium, no question, but they struggle with telling stories. Novels are fantastic at telling stories, but they struggle with painting an accurate picture of what someone looks and sounds like. Films nail what people look and sound like, and are great at telling stories, but those stories are limited by what can be shown in 90-180 minutes.

All mediums have things that they do well and things that they don’t do so well, if they didn’t, then we would t need them all.

Games can do all of those things, but what they can’t do is control the pacing of how they are doled out, it might have been four hours since your last story beat, four hours in which you’ve been getting frustrated to a point where the story has disappeared into the background. Nor can they compete with a player’s sense of agency within the game, you find a character annoying so you try to shoot them in the head but you’re not allowed, breaking immersion in the game and failing to gel with the fact that you shot 150 people in the head in the last level without issue. Nor can they account for the fact that while I’ve been standing here in a room explaining the next part of the narrative you’re supposed to be following, you’ve been jumping up and down on my desk and rifling through my drawers, which apparently I’ve either not noticed, nor felt the need to comment on. All of this breaks immersion, and all of it makes it harder to tell a story effectively.

My point with the Doom manual was that what was in there was effective for the medium. I mean, videogames grew out of experiences that offered no stories whatsoever. Pong was the first successful videogame, what was the story for that, exactly? Or Tetris? Space Invaders had a story entirely encapsulated by a two word title, that was all you needed, much like a few sentences in the Doom manual was all you needed as far as story goes to be able to redefine an entire medium.

Oh yes, because it's not Dickens.

Your argument was Halo is better than Cyberpunk's story. You're wrong.

Idm apples, perfectly serviceable. I ate an orange ten years ago, that was good. But fruit isn't really suited to being tasty, unlike popcorn

I think it's also worth remembering that I was right.

I think the main story was fine. Thing with Cyberpunk though is it's more the world building and the characters that it really excels at. You really have to dive in deep and put a lot of time into it to get the best out of it, but ultimately where it shines is with the journey you take and the friends you make along the way. That's the real top tier stuff.

Yeah all skills stuff is reset and if continuing refunded.
If you start fresh it's just the new system from the off.