WorKid wrote:What the fuck?
This is madness. We'd still be exporting with tariffs and any domestic industry could be undercut by foreign competition at anytime from any place.WorKid wrote:I'm a remoaner okay.
But...
Let's take the EU Canada deal. What a fucking shambles that was. (Wallonia??)
The EU tariffs are a mess, the CAP is a horrific compromise.
Maybe we can be bold. Maybe the UK will say fuck it guys, we declare unilateral tariff-free access to the UK. No need to bother with tedious free-trade agreements.
Imagine that. All global producers competing on equal terms - our choice goes up and prices come down.
Out of the EU we could open ourselves up to be the centre of the whole world. Will we... Probably not. But we could.
Our farmers and what manufacturing we have left being undercut and put out of business, our financial sector up and leaving, unemployment shooting up causing a huge fall in the taxes available to government to provide public services.WorKid wrote:ll global producers competing on equal terms - our choice goes up and prices come down.
mistercrayon wrote:Liveinadive wrote:I never said anything about Cameron's policies or history, just a comment on ability during a poll.
Try not to be so reactionary, leave that to the Daily Mail comments section.
What a load of cobblers.
The timescales make any of this talk a nonsense. The UK can't negotiate or begin negotiations while it's an EU member. Then we aren't anymore and can start the years and years of grind towards replicating our current arrangements, all while we are on newly arranged, inferior trading terms with our main partners. You'll get years of more expensive coffee and then possibly no benefit.WorKid wrote:Yeah maybe (monkey). Brexit just gives you options though. From allowing tariff-free coffee imports to full unilateral free trade.
That why I say there's the isolationist / protectionist outcome, or the super-liberal outcome like unilateral free trade.
Personally I'd go UFT given the choices although I'm no economist. I'd like cheaper coffee though.
WorKid wrote:Yeah maybe (monkey). Brexit just gives you options though. From allowing tariff-free coffee imports to full unilateral free trade. That why I say there's the isolationist / protectionist outcome, or the super-liberal outcome like unilateral free trade. Personally I'd go UFT given the choices although I'm no economist. I'd like cheaper coffee though.
Yossarian wrote:It won't hurt things that we don't produce, but it will hurt everything we do produce.
National industries would be swamped with new entrants, our exports would all be under WTO rules, which any country can choose to kick up a stink about e.g. Argentina wants to sell us cheaper lamb, decides to play silly buggers at the WTO about Welsh lamb exports. That's one industry gone immediately. Even if Argentina didn't mess around, our lamb isn't getting exported tariff-free anywhere.WorKid wrote:This is part of the point though Monkey. It takes 5 minutes to declare UFT. It takes decades to negotiate individual FTAs with country after country.
It's a nice idea but no one has any feasible plan for achieving it.WorKid wrote:Gazelle I'm with you on that 100%. Brexit makes me sad and angry all at the same time. More about the (ill-informed) reasons people had for voting for it (Bananas/NHS/Muslims).
But we're here now and we could choose to be even better than the EU were, even more inclusive and liberal, open ourselves up to the world and say to everyone we will do business with you, we will exchange ideas with you, we will welcome you to our country if you can contribute.
Yes I'm being optimistic but I feel it's the best way right now. I'm sick of feeling sick about it all.
Plus it was sunny and I've had a couple of pints.
WorKid wrote:Gazelle I'm with you on that 100%. Brexit makes me sad and angry all at the same time. More about the (ill-informed) reasons people had for voting for it (Bananas/NHS/Muslims). But we're here now and we could choose to be even better than the EU were, even more inclusive and liberal, open ourselves up to the world and say to everyone we will do business with you, we will exchange ideas with you, we will welcome you to our country if you can contribute. Yes I'm being optimistic but I feel it's the best way right now. I'm sick of feeling sick about it all. Plus it was sunny and I've had a couple of pints.
Yossarian wrote:Unilateral free trade could work at the point that living standards have fallen so far that our labour costs can compete with somewhere like China, until that point, it will only cause mass unemployment. Cheap coffee's no good if nobody has enough money to buy it.
Yossarian wrote:Agriculture gets huge subsidies from the EU.
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