The Daddy wrote:
mrsmr2 wrote:However, I am in charge of purchasing for the other people in the house and I chose Androids for them. Because who the hell will pay Apple prices for limited functionality at twice the price?
Yossarian wrote:Personally, I’m still willing to pay for tech with money rather than my personal info. I like that Apple give me that choice.
Now please park for a moment the idea of whether you think Google is "evil" or not. The power to identify the location of almost every individual instantly is the power totalitarians dream about. The pertinent question is whether anyone should have so much power.
Yossarian wrote:Passive listening applies to everyone on a Pixel. Essentially, the microphone is always on to check what’s on in the background, even when you’re offline.
Google can potentially be finding the locations of people who aren't even their customers, they just need to be within listening distance of a Pixel phone and they could be found.AJ wrote:Bit of a pointless article, if it is; loads of companies, including Apple, have that power over their customers.
You can only "Pause" data collection – and despite the friendly-sounding "Manage Activity", you have hurdles to leap over if you want to delete it. And of course "delete" doesn't mean what you think it means, it's more semantic confusion. Google retains the audio file for everything anyone has ever spoken into the Google Assistant, explaining that a deletion merely "disassociates" the audio file from the Google ID. Google retains a database of voice fingerprints.
Yossarian wrote:So Google phones are always listening and Google retains a database of voices linked to Google IDs in order to more effectively market to you.
Apple doesn't retain that information, voices aren't linked to accounts, there's no reason for them to be. As a result, Apple have nowhere near the potential to identify anyone anywhere in the world that Google does, not even close.
mrsmr2 wrote:I am totally on board with the privacy thing. The first thing I do with a new ios release is go through and turn everything off - no location tracking, no siri, no background activity, etc. I only put data on when it’s needed for something and then turn it off.
If I had an android I suspect I would be getting irate at the lack of control in this regard.
I just hope the perceived privacy of apple is more than just a perception. I have my doubts.
Edit: I don’t use icloud either
mrsmr2 wrote:I am totally on board with the privacy thing. The first thing I do with a new ios release is go through and turn everything off - no location tracking, no siri, no background activity, etc. I only put data on when it’s needed for something and then turn it off.
If I had an android I suspect I would be getting irate at the lack of control in this regard.
mrsmr2 wrote:Yossarian wrote:So Google phones are always listening and Google retains a database of voices linked to Google IDs in order to more effectively market to you.
Apple doesn't retain that information, voices aren't linked to accounts, there's no reason for them to be. As a result, Apple have nowhere near the potential to identify anyone anywhere in the world that Google does, not even close.
I think you are being very naive here. I’m not saying Apple do anything with that information but to think they can’t (and link it to an individual) is crazy talk.
When we do send information to a server, we protect your privacy by using anonymized rotating identifiers so that searches and locations can’t be traced to you personally.
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